Talk:თალგამი

talgam
, does Arabic ṭalḡam exist? Vahag (talk) 14:16, 20 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Also, am I right to read Persian here and here? Vahag (talk) 17:31, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Lagarde botched the transcriptions of but I created the page for . Makes me question whether the value  for Classical Persian  in view of your present Caucasian word is right. Fay Freak (talk) 23:49, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for creating those. ث‎ could have been a t-like sound in Early New Persian or Classical Persian. Otherwise why would they spell as . Vahag (talk) 08:40, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Even and  hail only from interdialectal borrowings in Early New Persian, “where the massive presence of interdialectal borrowings has been recognized and studied by many scholars”, Ciancaglini knows 2015, and even a variant  is recognized in  for  for the sound system of Early New Persian in the The Oxford Handbook of Persian Linguistics, beside the better known . The tolerance for  must also have been higher in view of Late-Middle-Persian–Early-New-Persian intervocalic allophones  and  for  and, and I suspect that in analogy to these and Middle Persian  ~  (in the latter form the basis for  and ) to  and , sometimes via  as they see in a  for  from MP. was cognate to 🇨🇬, sporadic  borrowed from somewhere, and hence under pressure for its sheer rarity, could also become , instead of the better-known value  for ⟨⟩, as across languages stopping of the voiceless dental fricative is known well and probably even more common. And this also means that  existed for a Neo-Persian chronolect, with the example of . Fay Freak (talk) 12:30, 21 June 2023 (UTC) The coming-about of  is also not well answered yet. Fay Freak (talk) 08:34, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
 * There is an article on /θ/ in New Persian. Vahag (talk) 15:28, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Makes sense. One should not be interested in historical Persian pronunciation details without having basic Persian reading skills. So I know what I have to read if I am procrastinative enough to take a few days off to learn Persian. Although I still wonder where in Western sources it has been discussed, as including on Wiktionary people tend to believe things better the more familiar the language is in which it has been written. Probably in ones which have not been digitized and not even pirated; else nobody will even consider it concerning Persian transliteration or pronunciation templates if the argument rests upon rogue state language. People rather copy repetitive movie series and novelty dances for closed-source apps than being interested in science even half an hour a day. It’s the same in the West, Russia, Iran and China, consensus decisions are more available than rational investigation. Therefore, the most educational material is not relatively unlikely to be found on spam websites and . Fay Freak (talk) 16:58, 21 June 2023 (UTC)