Talk:შქერი

, I found dialectal Armenian used in Hamshen and Trapizon. I believe it could be borrowed from Zan. Is in,  an inner-Georgian thing? --Vahag (talk) 20:14, 9 January 2022 (UTC)


 * The words with le- are Rachian, so could be a Svanism, I guess? I know in Megrelian toponyms le-/la- are considered to be Svanisms. In Laz there are . I'm guessing that's a coincidence კვარია (talk) 20:37, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I find in Javakhuri dialect:, . If its gloss  is not a mistake, then we have an alternative form of  with the same  prefix away from Svan areas and close to Armenia. Vahag (talk) 13:23, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * This has to be an unrelated word imho, or at least I'm struggling to see how this transformation could have happened within Georgian itself. Ghlonti this word is glossed as new/growing branch/twig/leaf; Petasites hybridus. The meaning of must exist too, it's just not in Ghlonti (he doesn't have a lot of lemmas from Javakheti and Meskheti). კვარია (talk) 14:00, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * This is all very confusing. Here on page 142 they list Javakhuri with some other rhododendron forms that you miss. Here on page 11 they gloss Guria and Racha  together with  as Heracleum, whereas according to Maqashvili it is Petasites. There is an article მაჭავარიანი, ლექსემა „ლეშხის“ ეტიმოლოგია. ეტიმოლოგიური ძიებანი, ტ. XII თბილისი, 2016, but I don't have it. Vahag (talk) 14:43, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Hmm... the meanings of this word is all over the place. I've been looking for that article (literally downloaded the entire ice.ge :p), but no success thus far. კვარია (talk) 10:40, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

лохотрон

 * Is there are a chance to connect 🇨🇬 and thence the Ukrainian and Belarusian forms? According to the review of the Elaeagnus genus in the USSR at the Russian page (page 119) and will find with my compatriot Elbakyan, the peak northwestern distribution is at the confluence between the rivers  and its tributary  and the, from there spreading over the Caucasus, and with such a distribution native origin or even Polish origin as suggested by  is less verisimile than a borrowing, as with so many Russian plant names (and this cannot be proven to be old). The Armenian and Greek translations of  and , if not , have some parallels, and the leave shapes, leave sizes and overall sizes of the rhododendra and oleasters are strikingly similar, comparing here Rhododendron ponticum and Elaeagnus angustifolia, and surely for a new plant one transferred the names of old ones. There will be  in between the Russian and the Kartvelian forms here. Fay Freak (talk) 20:52, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm confused, are you suggesting is possibly related to ? If so, how is the  term related to spellings/translations of rhododendron and oleander in Armenian and Greek? Anyhow this might interest you: the Kartvelian root was dubbed "Nostratic" by Starostin, who connects it to Slavic  among other "cognates". კვარია (talk) 12:17, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes. We already got the /l/ and /o/, and was the r perhaps ɣ somewhere? Like in (which also exists in some regio- or idiolects of Russian, rarely recognized because of the dominance of alveolar r in Slavic), but all of the Kartveli velars and uvulars would have the outcome  in . Oleander and oleaster are botanically unrelated, but superficially similar, as well as rhododendron juxtaposed with either, and the ancient peoples could have confused these peripherals plants, or “transferred” names. So we should look at all three complexes for combinations. And why would Russians know about oleaster or oleander or rhododendron? They all begin in the Caucasus. Fay Freak (talk) 13:29, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * if you mean and, , then they are isolated from Russian and do not fit in form and meaning. My philological digging points to an origin in the North-Western Caspian. Kalmyk has  glossed as "алоэ весеннее", which I don't what it is. Vahag (talk) 22:48, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * It is a fanciful translation of the vera part of by reason of  meaning the season “spring” (actual “spring aloe” would be with the epithet ). This is also in a table with Aloe vera in page 59 of the 1959 2nd edition of Китайская Народная Медицина by Вадим Габриэлевич Вогралик, the son of Габриэль Францевич Вогралик.
 * As de.Wikipedia informs us about Latinum popinarium: “Wegen der langen Beziehung der Medizin zur lateinischen Sprache ist diese Erscheinung verstärkt im Gesundheitswesen anzutreffen.” Of course the Latin treatment was even coarser amongst USSR medicians.
 * An equation of silverberry with aloe vera and is also great, in view of the cosmetical and folk-medical uses of both lotional plants. We have cornered лох, if not pinned down.
 * The said medical book transcribes the Chinese name with a phonetic form лу-хуй obviously relating our Russian and Kalmyk word, 🇨🇬, for which we have an etymology affording us a broader context. Fay Freak (talk) 01:17, 12 January 2022 (UTC)