Talk:こなた

Genitive marker
See Talk:所 and read the whole page long on Vovin's rejection of this particle.

Chuterix (talk) 03:05, 20 July 2023 (UTC)


 * See Talk:の. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 21:50, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
 * It seems originated from *kən(ə) « / » + *kata «» (medial /k/ can lenite via /h/, like ), which is not reflected in the old spelling and looks as if it dropped suddenly from the literatures because it had been regarded as a allophone of /k/.
 * Including and,  has strange dialectal equivallent  which is never describable in normal vowel shift theory of PJ (disappearing of *ə is irregular). I suspect existing of genitive な itself, or think if it was originally part of the word stem, since it can occur on very limited words. Many of them have 被覆形/露出形 alternation, otherwise the word has final *i (like *mi/mina «, "water"») or is *momo/momona «, "hundred"» which is said made from  according one thory, as far as I know.--荒巻モロゾフ (talk) 04:03, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Just for reference:
 * mono:
 * ムノ〔岐阜・鳥取〕ムン〔岐阜・鳥取・鹿児島方言〕モン〔愛媛周桑〕モン〔福井・愛知・伊賀・神戸・和歌山県・鳥取・伊予〕
 * momo:
 * 語源説
 * (1)モロモロ（諸々）の義〔名語記・日本釈名・名言通・紫門和語類集・日本古語大辞典＝松岡静雄・日本語原学＝林甕臣・大言海〕.
 * (2)モノモノ（物々）の義〔日本釈名・国語の語根とその分類＝大島正健・大言海〕.
 * (3)モロモチ（諸持）の略〔百草露〕.
 * (4)モモ（最々）の義〔和訓栞・言葉の根しらべ＝鈴江潔子〕.
 * (5)トト（十々）の義〔名語記・言元梯〕.
 * (6)モトニモドルの義〔和句解〕. Chuterix (talk) 22:20, 27 December 2023 (UTC)