Talk:そい

Pronunciation Data
Where did you get the pronunciation data for it? MiguelX413 (talk) 00:18, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
 * it's made up. Not an expert at IPA, but this would be a close approximation to the pronunciation from the JLect entry. But if you want to change it back to, I'm not stopping you. To be sure, the pronunciation templates from previous revision are hidden for your convenience. ～ POKéTalker（═◉═） 03:40, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
 * is there no way to add in your own IPA into the template? MiguelX413 (talk) 06:43, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
 * in regards to, the template itself is dependent on Module:ja-pron, therefore it's hardcoded and the IPA values are fixed. If you can, ask , or anyone expert in modules to help you out with adding regional pronunciations. Dōmo, ～ POKéTalker（═◉═） 18:07, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
 * The transcriptions and  don't seem all that different to me. One has accent and the other doesn't, one shows a semivowel version of the vowel in the other one. But perhaps there's more significance to these differences; I don't know the dialect. — Eru·tuon 18:18, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
 * The former is not the IPA transcription provided by Module:ja-pron but the Pitch Accent illustration. the IPA provided by Module:ja-pron is and the one provided by Jlect is . MiguelX413 (talk) 20:01, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see. Kagoshima dialect gives more information on the origin of this word's pronunciation. The final devoicing in might have been an error (Japanese phonology doesn't mention devoicing after a vowel); removing it, I'm not sure if  and  are supposed to be all that different, but it might be a good idea to stick to the exact pronunciation in Jlect. — Eru·tuon 02:30, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Hmmmmmmmm, Kagoshima dialect does have as the o sound in Kagoshima dialect but I don't think necessary for this broad transcription, I think it's fine how it is, and I was wondering if regional phonology could be added to the modules, since you were referred to as being skilled with them. MiguelX413 (talk) 02:40, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm skilled at Lua, but not at Japanese dialects (I just read Wikipedia articles), so I don't know what changes would need to be made. — Eru·tuon 02:51, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I see, maybe the option to insert one's own IPA with the module/template, and I'm not sure if the IPA values could be changed if its for a different dialect, as in, a different list for a different dialect? MiguelX413 (talk) 02:54, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * The devoicing diacritic was generated by  in ja-pron, which I believe was a mistake on Poketalker's part. As far as standard Japanese goes, scholars haven't agreed on whether [oi], [ai], etc. are two syllables or just diphthongs (or whether the syllable is a useful concept in Japanese phonology, for that matter). (I don't know whether the same is true for Kagoshima dialect or what JLect's position in the debate is, though.) I agree we could use less phonetic detail in ja-pron. Nardog (talk) 03:09, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I actually like having phonetic detail in it 🤔. I just think having configurability for dialects would be cool too. MiguelX413 (talk) 17:41, 16 September 2019 (UTC)