Talk:ちんぴら

Wikipedia's article uses the word chinpira but has the title . Why? Is it a valid alternative? Equinox ◑ 19:40, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * It's an alternative romanization that romanizes n more phonetically: np > mp. —Suzukaze-c◇◇ 19:41, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * (to suzukaze-c) I think we should make it clear which romanization system we're adopting. Maybe using the dot as in Korean entries. --Dine2016 (talk) 02:12, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * -- That's already described in detail at WT:JA TR. FWIW, Wikipedia has often been scattershot about romanization, possibly because that editor population is less concerned with proper lexicography.  ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 18:42, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'm aware of the page, though. I think we can link to it in the headword templates, such as using the dot notation “ちんぴら • (chinpira)”. But unfortunately this would disable accelerating.
 * Ah, I was introduced to the Japanese language (and the wonderful world of anime and manga) by a similar page, which served as a pronunciation guide for me in 2014. Otherwise, I would never have picked up Japanese due to the complexity of kana and kanji :) --Dine2016 (talk) 02:57, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 * , I confess I don't understand what you mean by "using the dot notation". Our current headword template is already pretty close, visually, to what you seem to propose...??  ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 18:15, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Changing
 * ちんぴら (rōmaji chinpira)Category:Japanese lemmasCategory:Japanese adverbsCategory:Japanese hiragana

to
 * ちんぴら • (chinpira)

paves the way for the following format:
 * よむ • (yomu) godan tr (infinitive ', past ')

One disadvantage is that acceleration of romaji entries is no longer available. However, argued against treating romaji as words so it might not hurt. Another disadvantage is that historical hiragana is no longer includeable. But as I have argued before, putting historical hiragana in headword templates is a bad idea. --Dine2016 (talk) 01:32, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 * : Japanese rōmaji entries are allowed as one of the few exceptions but I strongly object to treating them as words or terms and hyperlinking them or otherwise treating them as such. Votes/pl-2013-03/Japanese Romaji romanization - format and content is a result of the long fight to bring normalcy, so that entries like [[dentaku]] are mere soft redirects to the Japanese kana, so that no-one could get an impression that it's OK to replace complex Japanese writing system with Roman letters. I also object to any new transliterations treated as words. In the past rōmaji and pinyin entries were heavily used as full-blown terms with etymologies, synonyms, usage examples, etc. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 01:46, 10 May 2019 (UTC)