Talk:ほねとかわとがはなれるおと

RFD discussion: September 2020–February 2021
Not sure why this is considered unattestable. A quick google.co.jp search brings up many results containing ほねとかわとがはなれるおと and its respective kanji 砉. LittleWhole (talk) 04:51, 7 September 2020 (UTC)


 * I guarantee that you will not find in running text (「砉が聞こえた」).　See  and https://dic.nicovideo.jp/a/閄, as well as ja:トーク:閄. —Suzukaze-c (talk) 05:05, 7 September 2020 (UTC)


 * As additional reference points:
 * Not in JA WT: https://ja.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E7%A0%89 (not definitive by any means, but interesting to compare)
 * Not in EDICT: http://nihongo.monash.edu/cgi-bin/wwwjdic?1MUJ%E7%A0%89 (no entry at all)
 * Not in Kotobank aggregator: https://kotobank.jp/word/%E7%A0%89 (no entry at all)
 * Not in Weblio aggregator: https://www.weblio.jp/content/%E7%A0%89 (character is found, but not this reading, and no meaning given)
 * Not in Unihan: http://www.unicode.org/cgi-bin/GetUnihanData.pl?codepoint=%E7%A0%89 (character is found, but not this reading, and no meaning given)
 * Considering the Chinese meaning given as "sound of a thing flying fast by; whoosh; cracking sound", I find myself doubting the "noise of separation of skin from bone" sense added by in .  That sense doesn't quite make sense as worded, since skin is generally not attached directly to bone anyway.
 * Also, I see that the MDBG entry here includes a "sound of flaying" sense that would be closer, and that MDBG splits up the senses by reading, suggesting also a possible difference in etymologies.
 * Nibiko, can you shed any light on the sense here?
 * Anyone, can you confirm this character actually in use in Japanese?
 * , where this purported noun is explicitly marked as the topic of a sentence, finds only 200 ostensible hits across the wider web, collapsing to 36 when paging through. A quick skim shows that many appear to be mentions, where the character itself is under discussion, and the word is not used in running text.
 * finds only 61 ostensible hits across the wider web, collapsing to 30 when paging through. None have proper preview where we can confirm that Google's OCR hasn't failed, and the "snippet view" examples appear to be scannos.
 * , looking more broadly (but still including the to filter for Japanese), we get 3,450 ostensible hits, collapsing to 186 when paging through.  Again, tons of scannos.  There are some hits with preview, but combing through the first ten of these shows all scannos -- mostly for, a couple for irresolvably-out-of-focus blobs of pixels, one for a hand icon in a UI, and one for the foot of a cartoon drawing on an English-language mathematics worksheet.  Sometimes Google's OCR is spectacularly bad.
 * Evidence for use appears to be very thin indeed. This Quora post (in Japanese) explicitly explains that this character is not used in Japanese anyway, and that there is no  at all.  ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 21:43, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * It’s a well-known definition on Daikanwa among kanji lovers. It’s something we would use Template:non-gloss for. — T AKASUGI Shinji (talk) 22:44, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I reviewed LittleWhole's edits, and found that they'd added a lot of kun'yomi to Japanese single-kanji entries. In most cases, the purported kun'yomi was a definition, but not a recognized yomi, so I wound up reverting.  As you note here Shinji, a definition is not a yomi, so I think we will wind up reverting this one too.  ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 23:43, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

I guess it is not the kanji reading of 砉 but it is definition instead as ほね / と / かわ / と / が / はなれる / おと that means "the sound of departing bone and skin". This entry is not valid because it is not a term. --Octahedron80 (talk) 00:05, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

RFD-deleted. The kanji entry at 🇨🇬 has been to remove the spurious reading and update the senses. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 19:53, 19 February 2021 (UTC)