Talk:サラリーマン

Derivation
Often listed as. Ultimately not wasei eigo, as this comes from the well-documented English phrase. Per the Wikipedia page for :

The term Wasei-eigo (和製英語?, "Japanese-made English", "English words coined in Japan") refers to Japanese language expressions which superficially appear to come from English, but in fact do not.

As this term does in fact derive from an English phrase, it is by definition not wasei eigo. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 18:29, 2 March 2016 (UTC)


 * I'm inclined to disagree, as the form "salaryman" itself does not come from English. It hadn't existed in English until the Japanese coined it. Therefore it's qualified as wasei eigo. You only stated that it derives from "salaried man". ばかFumiko￥talk 06:59, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I'd like to see if there was in fact such form as サラリードマン. If so, I'd agree this isn't wasei eigo. ばかFumiko￥talk 07:26, 17 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Whether or not any form サラリードマン existed is immaterial to whether derives from the English phrase  : borrowings often undergo shifts in phonetics and/or meaning.  Such phonetic or semantic shifts alone do not suffice to classify a term as wasei eigo.
 * That aside, please look at the available references: Daijirin (among others) clearly states a derivation from salaried man. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 07:06, 18 March 2016 (UTC)