Talk:チャッツパー

RFV discussion: June–July 2020
"chutzpah". —Suzukaze-c (talk) 21:34, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Schmotz (i.e. bupkus, i.e. nothing) at.
 * finds 73 ostensible hits, collapsing to 36 when paging through. Skimming over the hits, none seem to meet WT:CFI.
 * As a counterpoint, the E↔J Weblio site suggests the Japanese rendering would be フツパー instead. This seems to generate what might be citable book hits at .  ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 22:17, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm used to hearing クッツパ or クツパ, but neither of those is well attested, either. (The 97 apparent hits on Google are for the most part actually .) Cnilep (talk) 04:16, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I like the idea that Japanese would take the spelling rather than the pronunciation as the basis and simply assume that the ch of chutzpah represents . Years ago I was editing a translation of a Japanese patent, which listed the address of the inventor as being in "ミッション・ビージョ", California. The translator had no idea what the English spelling was and just transliaterated it directly as "Misshon Biijo", and this was long before the Internet, so I had to pore over a map of California to try to find what city they were talking about. I finally figured out it was, but of course Viejo is pronounced , not . But whoever originally transliterated the name into Japanese didn't know that and just guessed on the basis of the usual English spelling rules. —Mahāgaja · talk 07:50, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Japanese renderings often depend on the route of transmission -- did it come in via written text, or via speakers sharing vocabulary? Written forms likely explain the odd pronunciation of, for example.  For this term, don't forget alternative spelling , which I think may have been the spelling I first encountered, and which could be the written-form basis for .  ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 05:18, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
 * All of those sentences in the google search results look generated by the machine translation erroneously. They aren't natural sentences. It's appropriate to delete.--荒巻モロゾフ (talk) 22:50, 17 July 2020 (UTC)


 * RFV-deleted. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 01:09, 20 July 2020 (UTC)