Talk:ブルマ

ブルマ
I'd like to request help finding citations for Japanese used to mean “winter solstice”, as a borrowing from 🇨🇬. I found a mention on page 3 of this PDF, but no proper usage quotes as of yet. &#8209;&#8209; Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 23:51, 27 August 2013 (UTC)


 * The etymology (from the Latin ) suggests that it may also be spelt . I&#39;m so meta even this acronym (talk) 21:51, 1 September 2013 (UTC)


 * RFV failed. —Mr. Granger (talk • contribs) 22:56, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Etymology 1 -- bloomer / bloomers as a garment
The missing ズ on the end does appear to be etymologically significant, and the historical development of the term in English appears to fit the Japanese.

Numerous other Japanese borrowings maintain a plural ending from the originating term, suggesting that deletion of the final ズ or ス is not a regular process. Examples:
 * : (borrowed as leg guards)
 * : (borrowed as leg guards)
 * : (borrowed as leg guards)
 * : (borrowed as leg guards)
 * : (borrowed as leg guards)
 * : (borrowed as leg guards)
 * : (borrowed as leg guards)
 * : (borrowed as leg guards)
 * : (borrowed as leg guards)

Non-clothing examples:
 * : (as in clothing)
 * : (as in food)
 * : (as in clothing)
 * : (as in food)
 * : (as in clothing)
 * : (as in food)
 * : (as in food)

Other examples with final "s" or "z" sounds:
 * : s
 * : s

‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 01:17, 27 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Counter-examples, mostly regarding underwear:


 * Unless you can explain away all of these examples with that same "reference to the trouser portion" argument, it's just mere speculation of your own. Also, uncited claims can be removed and challenged.
 * Your last three examples are completely irrelevant. For all we know, tsu/zu can just be rare renditions of English /t///d/. Even if you favor dogmatic approaches to transcription or phonology, examples like shatsu, kizzu, kyattsu do exist (even if they're less common than kiddo, kyatto). Shatsu already has an irregular vowel by itself, so it's not a stretch that tsu is also irregular. ばかFumiko￥talk 21:04, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Unless you can explain away all of these examples with that same "reference to the trouser portion" argument, it's just mere speculation of your own. Also, uncited claims can be removed and challenged.
 * Your last three examples are completely irrelevant. For all we know, tsu/zu can just be rare renditions of English /t///d/. Even if you favor dogmatic approaches to transcription or phonology, examples like shatsu, kizzu, kyattsu do exist (even if they're less common than kiddo, kyatto). Shatsu already has an irregular vowel by itself, so it's not a stretch that tsu is also irregular. ばかFumiko￥talk 21:04, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Unless you can explain away all of these examples with that same "reference to the trouser portion" argument, it's just mere speculation of your own. Also, uncited claims can be removed and challenged.
 * Your last three examples are completely irrelevant. For all we know, tsu/zu can just be rare renditions of English /t///d/. Even if you favor dogmatic approaches to transcription or phonology, examples like shatsu, kizzu, kyattsu do exist (even if they're less common than kiddo, kyatto). Shatsu already has an irregular vowel by itself, so it's not a stretch that tsu is also irregular. ばかFumiko￥talk 21:04, 4 August 2017 (UTC)