Talk:亡

Origin of character
Entry needs an explanation of the origin of the character (why it's drawn the way it is). 69.81.129.50 18:32, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

RFV discussion: January 2020–September 2021
Rfv-sense: "poor". Pinging who added it. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 18:12, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Justinrleung: I think we can safely remove this definition or at least put it as a subitem under the first, namely alt form of. The gloss "poor" seems to be based on a single commentary in the, under the 4th verse of 《邶風·谷風》:

The Mao annotation (傳, pages 71–72, scanned copy) reads: 「有」謂富也；「亡」謂貧也. I suspect this is where the spurious sense "poor" came from.

However I don't think the Mao annotation were meant to be definition-giving. It simply explains the words' connotation in the particular context of the poem rather than giving an alternative gloss of the words. The meaning "poor", etc. is not a separate sense; it is already covered under the first sense. 's parallel annotation (箋) did so in a slightly different manner, and so did the 正義 (sub-annotation) by Tang-era scholars. --Frigoris (talk) 20:22, 17 August 2020 (UTC)


 * RFV failed. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 19:35, 15 September 2021 (UTC)