Talk:働

Adopted into Chinese

 * Section added. —Nils von Barth (nbarth) (talk) 00:20, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

I just noticed on Wikipedia that this is one of the very few 国字 / 和製漢字 to have been adpoted into Chinese from Japanese. This gives it even an "on" reading, rare for a kokuji. This is probably worthy of mention in the article itself someday. &mdash; Hippietrail 14:37, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the observation! I’ve created a category Category:Japanese-coined CJKV characters used outside Japanese and added a note to that effect to the article.
 * —Nils von Barth (nbarth) (talk) 00:20, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Following up, I suspect that the on reading dō is simply derived from the on reading of the phonetic 動 – compare 活動 katsudō and 労働 rōdō – and not due to its use in Chinese. I.e., I suspect that terms such as 労働 are 和製漢語 – Japanese-coined words – or re-spellings of older words, not later borrowings from Chinese. Still, quite interesting that it has an on reading, which I’ve noted in the article – thanks!
 * —Nils von Barth (nbarth) (talk) 09:55, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

It is Japanese but is sometimes used in running Chinese text without any explanation (i.e. 勞働). I think this can be considered "Chinese usage" of a sort. See also. —suzukaze (t・c) 08:48, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

It's also acknowledged in the 通用规范汉字表 as a variant of 動. —suzukaze (t・c) 09:46, 5 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I didn't get the ping but OK, thanks. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 09:49, 5 March 2017 (UTC)


 * According to Xiandai Hanyu Cidian (6th edition, 2012): “働”是“劳动”的“动（動）”的异体字..
 * Translation: “働” is a variant form of “动（動）” used in the term
 * This character is also found in the 1915 Zhonghua Da Zidian with the following definition:
 * KevinUp (talk) 13:47, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

RFV discussion: March 2017–February 2020
RFV for Chinese. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 00:27, 10 March 2017 (UTC)


 * For 働, see the talk page.
 * For 𫢙, I wonder if the evidence for inclusion in Unicode can be located... —suzukaze (t・c) 00:41, 10 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Unicode got 𫢙 from 中國大百科全書, according to its G source (GBK-1000.40). — justin(r)leung { (t...) 00:43, 10 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I know about that part; I meant specifically within the patchwork PDFs they assemble and dump into http://appsrv.cse.cuhk.edu.hk/~irg/. —suzukaze (t・c) 00:46, 10 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I see. That will take some fishing. As for 働, why don't we just have a ? — justin(r)leung { (t...) 00:49, 10 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I've traced 𫢙 back to the extension D submission by the PRC (IRGN1262), which lists it under characters used in personal names. I don't see evidence from the original source, though. (It might be there, but I can't find it at the moment.) — justin(r)leung { (t...) 05:22, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Is it a good idea to verify ALL kokuji and Japanese shinjitai, which are different from Chinese simp. forms for their existence in Chinese and Korean? Unihan just does a misservice by providing reading for characters that are not used in these languages, IMO.--Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 07:15, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Assuming 勞働 exists, then it seems to me that should be sufficient for keeping 働 in some form – either an "only in" entry the way it is now, or a the way Justinrleung suggests. —Granger (talk · contribs) 02:56, 30 November 2018 (UTC)


 * 𫢙 RFV-failed, 働 kept but if someone wants to change it back to an entry, go ahead.  - -sche (discuss) 17:56, 12 February 2020 (UTC)