Talk:入る

Senses 4 and 6 seem like they should be in passive form.
From what I understand, the most common definitions of "contain", "include" are transitive, but "入る" is listed as intransitive. The examples I have seen other dictionaries use to explain this sense all seem to point to a passive definition, where the subject is the item being "contained".

Ex: Maggie Sensei

この料理には何が入っていますか？

What is in this food?

料金にはサービス料が入っていません.

The service charge is not included in the fee. Rampagingcarrot (talk) 03:31, 23 October 2022 (UTC)


 * I got some support from some JM editors and so I made the change. Rampagingcarrot (talk) 03:36, 28 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Ya, the senses weren't expressed very well. This is not so much passive usage like "A has been entered by B" or "B has been put into A", but rather a difference of viewpoint.  In English, we say things like "A has B in it", while in Japanese, we say things like  -- the topic is reversed between the languages.
 * I expect that a lot of confusion about how this verb works is due to overly idiomatic English translations that obscure how the Japanese verb and phrasing actually work. I've had a go at expanding somewhat and reworking the usexes to try to emphasize this difference.  ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 01:38, 16 November 2022 (UTC)