Talk:凤头鸠

RFV discussion: October–December 2022
Chinese.

This is a hoax on zh wikipedia, just like the "Brazilian aardvark" of en wiki.Interaccoonale (talk) 14:49, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

OK, I do need to give some explanation.

The species was referred to as "冠鸠" (guan jiu) in a book published in 2002(世界鸟类分类与分布名录 A Checklist on the Classification and Distribution of the Birds of the World copyrighted picture), as well as in other academic and non-academic sources. The original title of the article on Chinese Wikipedia was also "冠鸠". But in 2008, w:zh:User:Johnleung2000s invented the new name "凤头鸠" (feng tou jiu), a name that had never existed before, which was admitted by them and other users in a related discussion (w:zh:Wikipedia:删除投票和请求/2008年1月10日). The genus Goura, originally known as "凤冠鸠" (feng guan jiu), was changed to "冠鸠". Related hoaxes have persisted until today.

Affected articles have been corrected on Chinese Wikipedia. And the remaining redirect pages have been nominated for AfD. If you understand Chinese, you can watch the discussion: w:zh:Wikipedia:頁面存廢討論/記錄/2022/10/19. Interaccoonale (talk) 15:18, 19 October 2022 (UTC)


 * See Citations:鳳頭鳩. I have found two pre-2008 uses, but I'm not entirely sure if they are referring to the crested pigeon. It might be good to check the original German Aus dem Leben der Vögel for the 1984 quote. The last quote from 2015 is probably a result of Chinese Wikipedia, but it can still be counted as a use for the purposes of Wiktionary. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 18:38, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The first one apparently does not refer to the crested pigeon. Because it is a traditional Chinese poetry, and is unlikely to contain Australian species. The second one cannot be determined and needs more context. Interaccoonale (talk) 00:16, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Justinrleung asked for help finding the original German passage that corresponds to the the 1984 quote on Discord and I believe I have located it. Specifically, Google Books has a entry for Aus dem Leben der Vögel with preview/snippet view enabled. Searching the book for (which Google Translate tells corresponds to some words in the Chinese passage) reveals a passage on page 88 which seems to match up with the Chinese passage (based on my comparisons of Google Translate results and Justinrleung's judgement). The passage brought up reads "Bei der australischen Schopftaube hat die dritte  Handschwinge die Aufgabe des Pfeifens; wird sie gerade beiderseitig gemausert, so fällt die Tonerzeugung weg. Merkwürdig ist das laute Pfeifen, das die unscheinbar gefärbte Javanische...". A quick check suggests that  corresponds to  and  to . This seems to make the 1984 quote also supports the claim that  means . Granted, I know neither Chinese nor German which would help in a more solid conclusion, but I feel fairly confident in nonetheless. &mdash;The Editor's Apprentice (talk) 06:21, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
 * the German passage definitely refers to the crested pigeon, since the book's index (page 157) says "Schopftaube (Ocyphaps lophotes) 88". Fr The question is whether the translator used the correct Chinese term to translate it. It's entirely possible that the translator couldn't find a Chinese name for it, and just made one up. By the way, I was able to get some more of the text before and after what you have:

So führt die Schellente nicht umsonst ihren Namen, dein beim mehrjährigen, als ausgefärbten und fortpflanzungsfähigen Erpel wird wahrend des Fliegens durch die schmale äußerste Handschwinge ein vom Fluggeräusch aller anderen Enten avweichendes, klingelndes Pfeifen erzeugt. In noch höherem Grade gilt dies für den Trauer-Erpel (s.Abb. 54). Bei der australischen Schopftaube hat die dritte Handschwinge die Aufgabe des Pfeifens; wird sie gerade beiderseitig gemausert, so fällt die Tonerzeugung weg. Merkwürdig ist das laute Pfeifen, das die unscheinbar gefärbte Javanische Pfeifgans im Fluge hervorbringt. Es wird durch einen eigenartigen Vorsprung and der Innenfahne der äußersten Handschwinge erzeugt (s.Abb.54d).
 * It seems to be a discussion of various birds that make whistling sounds with their wings, and the mechanics of how the sounds are produced.Chuck Entz (talk) 09:20, 3 November 2022 (UTC)


 * RFV failed. Only two clear quotes were found, which is one short of being verified. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 06:22, 6 December 2022 (UTC)