Talk:刃形魚

RFV discussion: March 2017–November 2018
It only gets 19 webhits, of which one is Wiktionary. Nibiko (talk) 18:59, 24 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Hmm.  (adding the "は" to filter for Japanese) generates zero hits.  ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 22:24, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
 * From http://www.zukan-bouz.com/nisin/etu.php "漢字◆漢字「刃形魚」. 参考文献／『新釈　魚名考』（栄川省造　青銅企画出版）". A description of this book can be found here: http://www.onsenmaru.com/book/B-100/B-130-gyomeikou.htm 馬太阿房 (talk) 06:06, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Does this count as an attestation? (Asaka-ku Chorus Group News letter): http://asahi-lirio.org/chorus/zatsu/zatsu83.pdf 馬太阿房 (talk) 06:37, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
 * That appears to be a mention, not a use ("this term is also spelled as `XXX`") -- and only uses are acceptable as attestation. One of the distinct challenges with Japanese and alternative spellings is verifiably nailing down when a given spelling is used in running text with a given reading.  Finding a spelling isn't so bad; Google helps.  Finding a spelling with a particular reading is much harder, and is often limited to those cases where 1) the reading is rare and readers are unlikely to know it, and 2) the author is kind enough to include the reading somewhere.  ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 18:18, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I see what you're saying. I only found one web site ( http://www.fish-food.co.jp/message141.html ) where 刃形魚 was called 別名, and I don't think that is correct based upon the following. At http://www.zukan-bouz.com/syu/エツ it says, "漢字 「刃形魚」...由来・語源  漢字は形から、音の意味、由来は不明" which is stated directly in reference to the headword エツ. Some of the web sites I found have "エツ（刃形魚）" which to me makes it look like 刃形魚 is the kanji spelling for えつ and they also provide an alternate name for the fish which is a transliterated Chinese word, フォンウェイイ which diretly relates to the Chinese Spelling (風尾魚), but neither フォンウェイイ or 風尾魚 are ever given in parenthesis next to the kana spelling エツ the way 刃形魚 is. One other web site, http://d.hatena.ne.jp/fishinfish2010/20120904/p1 has, "「斉魚／鱭（魚扁に齊）／刃形魚／比魚／鰽（魚偏に曹）／鮆（「紫」の糸の部分が魚）のエツ」" and this seems to be the most clearly defined usage that I can find, but other Japanese writers have clearly taken  刃形魚 to be a spelling of エツ. See the blog site http://maruk-skn.jugem.jp/?eid=92 where えつ appears as furigana next to 刃形魚.馬太阿房 (talk) 00:26, 28 March 2017 (UTC)   By the way... a little about myself (which I may or may not put on my user page some day)... I am a Fisheries major with a minor degree in Food Science, and a major interest in Japanese language/culture, hence the interest in the various spellings of Japanese fish names. I find it facinating how fish like Etsu and so many seemingly insignificant little fish are so valued by the Japanese and I have had the pleasure of eating some of the dishes which use them. Note: If this entry is deleted it will then also need to be removed the other wiktionary pages where I have provided 刃形魚 as an alternate spelling (see えつ and 斉魚).馬太阿房 (talk) 00:26, 28 March 2017 (UTC)


 * RFV failed. —Granger (talk · contribs) 02:51, 30 November 2018 (UTC)