Talk:唼

Japanese, FWOTD
Are you sure it doesn't have a definition? Last time I checked, and even now, it says under "唼":

(uncommon “Hyōgai” kanji)


 * 1) speaking evil
 * 2) gobbling sound made by ducks

If that's not the definition, then what is that numbered list for?

Mind you, I am referring to the Japanese entry, not the Chinese one, which does indeed not have a definition. I believe I marked it for a Japanese FWOTD though.

(If your talk page isn't the right place to discuss this, let me know; I never did this before.) Signbear999 (talk) 23:18, 26 July 2022 (UTC)


 * I'm beginning to see why my edit was reverted; I apologize, and I do see the lack of citation. If I were to add a reference to this entry, which dictionary would be the most authoritative? Every dictionary I've come across online gives the exact same definition that is written here. Signbear999 (talk) 23:29, 26 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oh, my apologies, I missed the "ja" part. And yes this is the right page :)
 * But the Japanese entry is also missing examples of actual usage. 唼 is probably one of those obscure obsolete characters where Japanese kanji dictionaries follow the Chinese ~big important traditional dictionaries~ (which is really what they do 99% of the time &mdash; for reading Chinese classics). A quick search at https://kotobank.jp/gs/?q=唼 has some results, but either as Chinese (唼喋 shàzhá -- the sound of fish or waterfowl eating) or mostly as 生唼, the name of a historical horse.
 * And FWIW, those precise definitions are copied from Unicode's rather dubious "kDefinition" field.
 * —Fish bowl (talk) 23:37, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Alright, thank you. Where should I go from here? I see that the Japanese definition may be a lost cause. There is no verifiable source other than Unihan which is not reliable.
 * On the Chinese hand, has an actually usable definition not from Unihan: the first use of 唼 here can be backed up in the third use on this dictionary, which links to the compound 唼佞, which is defined as "誹謗的言論. " The second use is probably related to the compound you mentioned, 唼喋, defined as "水鳥或魚類吃食的聲音." As it seems that a good Japanese definition would not be possible, maybe I could source a new Chinese one using this dictionary. Signbear999 (talk) 00:11, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think working on the Chinese section would be more fruitful. —Fish bowl (talk) 01:23, 27 July 2022 (UTC)