Talk:坉

RFV discussion: November 2013–December 2014
Rfv-sense for 坉 definition "water that does not recede and cannot be diverted". Purportedly given in the Kangxi Dictionary (1716), the definition isn't in the Unihan database (which, in itself, isn't a problem) and almost seems to contradict one or more of the definitions given at zdic.net (Han Dian dictionary site). It'd be nice to have someone native or near-native in reading Chinese have a look at this definition to see if it's valid. Bumm13 (talk) 22:01, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm certainly not near-native in reading Chinese, but it looks like this definition is indeed in the Kangxi dictionary: "水不通不可别流" . Mr. Granger (talk) 23:23, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
 * The Kangxi dictionary cites the very old Yupian dictionary, which gives the same definition. Mr. Granger (talk) 23:48, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, after working with several sources and translation tools, I finally was able to parse the "cannot be diverted" part (不可别流). The "that does not recede" definition seems a bit odd to me, as the literal translation that I'm getting for that part is "stopped" or "blocked" (不通, a compound word) rather than "recede". Bumm13 (talk) 01:29, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 * That's true in modern Chinese, but in classical Chinese, words are generally monosyllabic, so my guess would be that it should be parsed as two words: 不=not, 通=pass through. (But again, I'm no expert - we need someone who can read classical Chinese.) Mr. Granger (talk) 02:43, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 * : KangXi ZiDian：
 * (Balancing between literal translation and meaning translation) --kc_kennylau (talk) 10:08, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 * (Balancing between literal translation and meaning translation) --kc_kennylau (talk) 10:08, 6 July 2014 (UTC)


 * FWIW, Wyang has commented on his talk page that "the sense is easily attested". Whether the current wording is a sufficiently fluent wording is another question... - -sche (discuss) 02:28, 7 July 2014 (UTC)


 * It would be helpful if someone could provide an example of how this is used. Is a pond a "坉"? It has nowhere to recede or be diverted to, assuming it is rain-fed rather than fed by a river. If a river floods and the water doesn't seem likely to recede for several days, and the town has to be evacuated, are the floodwaters "坉" until they do recede? - -sche (discuss) 06:38, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

RFV failed: no citations provided here, in the entry, or at the citations page. — Keφr 21:21, 8 December 2014 (UTC)