Talk:天若有情天亦老

This isn't really a proverb, it's a quote from an 8th century poem.
 * In looking at this again, I agree that it is not a proverb. However, several dictionaries do list it as an entry under 成语 (idiom).  The original poem can be found at Chinese Wikisource:
 * 金銅仙人辭漢歌並序
 * 茂陵劉郎秋風客，夜聞馬嘶曉無跡.
 * 畫欄桂樹懸秋香，三十六宮土花碧.
 * 魏官牽車指千里，東關酸風射眸子.
 * 空將漢月出宮門，憶君清淚如鉛水.
 * 衰蘭送客咸陽道，天若有情天亦老.
 * 攜盤獨出月荒涼，渭城已遠波聲小.
 * At some point, the poem should be translated into English and placed in the etymology section of the entry. For the time being, I'll provide a link to the poem in the references section. -- A-cai 23:49, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * At some point, the poem should be translated into English and placed in the etymology section of the entry. For the time being, I'll provide a link to the poem in the references section. -- A-cai 23:49, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * At some point, the poem should be translated into English and placed in the etymology section of the entry. For the time being, I'll provide a link to the poem in the references section. -- A-cai 23:49, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * A.C. Graham's translation:


 * A Bronze Immortal Takes Leave of Han


 * Boy Liu in Leafy Mound, visitor of the autumn wind ...
 * In the night I heard his horse whinny, at sunrise saw no track.
 * On the cassia tree by the painted rail the scent of autumn hangs:
 * In his thirty-six palaces the dust blooms emerald.
 * Wei's servants haul the cart, point ahead a thousand miles:
 * A sour wind shoots from the east pass at my pupils.
 * The moon of Han in vain with me I come forth at the palace gate:
 * At your memory the transparent tears are like molten lead.
 * Withering orchids escort me along the Hsien-yang road:
 * If heaven too had passions even heaven would grow old.
 * With the pan in my hands I come forth alone under the desolate moon:
 * The city on the Jwei far back now, quiet the waves.


 * Thanks for the translation. Unfortunately, copyright issues may prevent us from being able to use the above translation in the entry.  Generally, we are safe in citing works that are older than 100 years old.  Angus Charles Graham (1919 – 1991) is probably too recent.  However, it should be helpful a resource for generating our own translation.  Another option would be to only quote a few of the relevant lines from the poem.  For example, we could do something like:


 * ===Etymology===
 * c. 790–816, Li He, A Bronze Immortal Takes Leave of Han (金銅仙人辭漢歌並序)
 * 空將漢月出宮門，憶君清淚如鉛水. 衰蘭送客咸陽道，天若有情天亦老.
 * The moon of Han in vain with me I come forth at the palace gate: At your memory the transparent tears are like molten lead. Withering orchids escort me along the Xianyang road: If heaven too had passions even heaven would grow old. (A.C. Graham)


 * I think we would be safe, if we did something along these lines. Otherwise, we would probably have to generate our own full translation.  -- A-cai 10:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)