Talk:孫堅

RFD discussion: January–September 2017

 * Deleted. Wyang (talk) 22:47, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

=== 伯喈, 呂布, 吕布, 奉先, 趙雲, 赵云, 子龍, 子龙, 于禁, 文則, 文则, 趙子龍, 赵子龙, 張楊, 张杨, 孫權, 孙权, 仲謀, 仲谋, 滿寵, 满宠, 伯寧, 伯宁, 范滂, 孟博, 壽長, 寿长, 雲長, 云长, 樂進, 乐进, 文謙, 文谦, 衛弘, 卫弘, 張遼, 张辽, 文遠, 文远, 陳生, 陈生, 呂虔, 吕虔, 子恪, 孫乾, 孙乾, 許褚, 许褚, 仲康, 張儉, 张俭, 元節, 元节, 霍光, 糜竺, 麋竺, 子仲, 張紘, 张紘, 子綱, 子纲, 義公, 义公, 韓當, 韩当 === Couple more, including some style names for deleted entries or entries to be deleted. Wyang (talk) 07:20, 20 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete all "surname + given name" entries based on WT:NSE. Weak delete for style names (except those specified below). (Should 孔明 as a name be deleted as well?) After checking Guoyu Cidian and Hanyu Da Cidian, the following should be kept for having other meanings:
 * 玄德 ("高深、幽潛的德性", "天地玄妙之理", "佛教上指玄妙的功德")
 * 奉先 ("祭祀祖先", "宋代禁軍名")
 * 文則/文则 ("文章的法則")
 * 張楊/张杨 ("1936年12月發動西安事變的著名將領張學良、楊虎城的並稱") — justin(r)leung { (t...) 04:54, 21 January 2017 (UTC)


 * I tentatively propose that we allow all names which have inclusion-worthy derived terms. Wyang (talk) 05:00, 21 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment. I advocating deleting names, while agreeing with Wyang that we should keep names that have derived terms. Surely we should keep style names (字) though, as they function basically the same as nicknames do in English (e.g. J-Lo, J-Law, K-Rod, etc.). ---&#62; Tooironic (talk) 10:28, 25 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Style names are not comparable to English nicknames or given names; they are more akin to English "first name + middle name" combinations, such as "John Michael". English given names (e.g. John) usually have interesting etymologies, but Chinese style names (e.g. 文謙) are simply a sum of parts. On the other hand, Chinese nicknames or certain stage names are certainly worthy of inclusion, such as 鳥叔, 成龍. Wyang (talk) 23:07, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete them, if not included at http://dict.revised.moe.edu.tw/ that nevertheless includes some personal names like 劉禪 (Liu Shan) in 3rd Century China.--Jusjih (talk) 03:01, 18 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Deleted. These entries may be created later: (1) with valid non-personal name senses, or (2) if it is used as part of an idiom, proverb, xiehouyu or phrase, which has an entry on Wiktionary (to be discussed). Wyang (talk) 22:47, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Cáo Cāo
As mengde and Mèngdé link to each other but 孟德 is excessive here, may I propose keeping Cáo Cāo and cào cào linking to each other while keeping 曹操 deleted and de-linked?--Jusjih (talk) 00:02, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I would like to propose using also to directly link to Wikipedia for personal names not deserving entries here, like cào cào and mengde directly linking to Cao Cao where readers will get the Pinyin with tonal marks. Then we may delete excessive entries of personal names.--Jusjih (talk) 03:02, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Deleted. This directs to a deleted page. It may be created when the main page exists. Wyang (talk) 22:47, 21 September 2017 (UTC)