Talk:挽回面子

RFD discussion: October 2020–June 2021
I created this in error seven years ago. It should be sum of parts. Not in any monolingual dictionaries. ---&#62; Tooironic (talk) 21:12, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Definitely SoP. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 04:00, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep To weigh in as an individual just learning Chinese, I'd rather keep it and have a better explanation of the concept of "to save face." It's a fairly common colloquial expression, that could benefit from a succinct definition. I also think that it has a slightly pejorative implication of trying to cover one for one's mistakes or misdeeds. Languageseeker (talk) 15:28, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * None of those are rationale for keeping this term according to Wiktionary's criteria for inclusion. I have also added the collocation at the respective entries 挽回 and 面子, so the expression can still be looked up and translated if needed. Also, your understanding of pejorative is not how it is applied here. ---&#62; Tooironic (talk) 00:28, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Then what about words such as 野鴨. It can be argued that this is also an SoP entry 野 meaning wild and 鴨 meaning duck. Mandarin tends to have much more words that can be argued to be SOP because that is how the language operates. How far are we going to go to purge all Mandarin entries that could be regarded as SOP? Languageseeker (talk) 14:21, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Technically, 挽回 is a verb according to the wiktionary, while 野 is not. As a result, I would argue that 挽回面子 is a phrase while 野鴨 is a noun of its own. Fredrick Campbell (talk) 12:35, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not really sure how 野 being a verb (which it obviously isn't) would be relevant to the discussion of whether 野鴨 is SoP. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 22:57, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
 * It is my opinion that an entry that can be split up to more than one of the following (subject, verb, object (direct or indirect)) should be considered sum of parts while an entry that can not be split into one of those should not be considered sum of parts even though they technically are because in Chinese, adjectives can function in extremely specific ways depending on what the adjective is describing. Fredrick Campbell (talk) 05:46, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I’m confused about what you’re saying. Being able to function as multiple roles in a sentence does not rule it out ad being SoP. There are plenty of non-SoP words that could behave like that. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 06:00, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I meant that since 挽回 is a verb and 面子 can be considered its object, 挽回面子 is sum of parts while 野 is functioning as an adjective describing 鴨 in 野鴨 and thus 野鴨 should not be considered sum of parts. Fredrick Campbell (talk) 06:18, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah, gotcha. There are other entries that are V+O, but usually they are idiomatic or 2-character entries that are often in monolingual dictionaries. 野鴨 is keepable because 鴨 is usually not standalone in Standard Chinese unless in really formal contexts or compounds, and also we tend to allow 2-character A+N compounds that are common and often found in monolingual dictionaries. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 06:35, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. I understand that 挽回面子 is a common collocation, but it's still SoP. RcAlex36 (talk) 17:41, 4 December 2020 (UTC)


 * RFD deleted. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 06:29, 28 June 2021 (UTC)