Talk:捏居帶

Sim. to, I'm not finding support for this written form in any of MoE, Tw-Ch, Maryknoll, or TDJ. Also, for ne-kut-tái, MoE displays kana next to "ne33-kut5-tai51" but we have not gone so far as to create an entry in kana for that here. Hongthay (talk) 22:25, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
 * : User:Mar vin kaiser is creating these based on a list in 閩南方言大詞典. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 22:45, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Can we do a sanity check to make sure this entry is following the guidelines of WT:CFI? I feel like we are not being consistent about this if we move forward with these sorts of entries that are one-offs from one author in one publication. Thanks. Hongthay (talk) 22:02, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

RFD discussion: August 2016–January 2017
Neither a common misspelling nor variant spelling. This spelling is not verifiable in any of the following references for Taiwanese Hokkien: MoE, Tw-Ch, Maryknoll, or Tai-nichi Dai Jiten. Possibly a one-off from one author in one publication. Hongthay (talk) 19:13, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
 * (copy pasted from the talk page of the article) I understand your concern of it being found only in one entry. But for me, the thing is that 闽南方言大词典 is the most, if not the most, comprehensive dictionary/reference on Hokkien/Min Nan. It mostly contains words used in Mainland China (specifically Quanzhou, Xiamen, and Zhangzhou) while also elaborating on district-specific dialects in the latter part. It also has a section of Taiwanese-specific words at the start and that's where I got 捏居帶. I understand that Taiwanese don't use these characters in this context, but in my opinion, I would say that 闽南方言大词典 is really in the Top 3, if not Top 1, of possible references for Min Nan. Considering how few super complete dictionaries are in Min Nan, this is like a Min Nan Bible. I dare say that it's the most complete. Therefore, I think we shouldn't ignore its contents, specifically, 捏居帶. --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 14:33, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Of course we can't overlook its contents, but we can't regard it as an authority since actual character usage of Taiwanese loanwords from Japanese differs from it significantly. We need to have evidence from other places, or else it probably wouldn't pass CFI. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 15:37, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Let me explain my train of thought in a series of statements.


 * 1) If the word has a Chinese character equivalent, then there should be an entry for that, and if there are many ways, only one of them should be the main entry.
 * 2) Taiwan doesn't use any Chinese characters to transcribe this word.
 * 3) Although Taiwan doesn't use it, 闽南方言大词典 has a Chinese character equivalent for it.
 * 4) There's only one way to write it using Chinese characters, so 捏居帶 should be the main article for the Chinese character entry, while we can still keep the POJ entry, like always.
 * That's how I thought about it. --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 16:03, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I still cannot see how this spelling meets WT:CFI, especially if, as you said, people don't actually use it. Taiwanese does not have a strong written tradition, and some of our POJ entries may not meet CFI either, but at least POJ is reliable for transcription of the spoken vernacular. Hongthay (talk) 17:20, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

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 * I think you mean we should look at KTV songs for lyrics/subtitles for guidance with Min Nan Hanzi. We could use them to "cite actual usage", "in the wild" (WT:WFW)...as long as we establish "proof of usage" and do not violate copyright. As to using 闽南方言大词典, I am concerned we may well be violating copyright (in addition to falling short on sources) if we use unique Hanzi spellings that author 周长楫 created. Hongthay (talk) 17:30, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

No consensus to delete, but deleted through RfV for lack of verification. bd2412 T 18:07, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

RFV discussion: July 2016–January 2017
This "spelling" may not be found anywhere except in 閩南方言大詞典. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 13:54, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Deleted. bd2412 T 18:05, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

米汝
Same with 米汝. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 13:54, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Deleted. bd2412 T 18:05, 14 January 2017 (UTC)