Talk:有雄心


 * Hi Frank. You know I don't quite agree with you on this one. We should allow the productive 有-adjectives like 有雄心, etc. but I'll let our Chinese team decide on it. From what I can judge, there is no definite treatment in Chinese on 有 + noun with an adjectival sense. I know there can be a lot of words but you see it's included in CEDIC, Sheik's Cantonese, Chinese Wiktionary and more importantly in Google books.


 * Should we allow 有-adjectives? --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 06:55, 12 June 2018 (UTC)


 * It's SoP in Chinese: it's not in ', ', ', ',  (by the Ministry of Education of Taiwan), ... You can say 有 + any positive-quality noun: 有野心 (ambitious), 有善心 (merciful), 有愛心 (loving), 有智慧 (wise), 有耐心 (patient), 有能力 (capable), etc. They are all SoP, interpreted literally, unlike English adjectives. See past deletion discussions at Talk:有說服力, Talk:有營養. Wyang (talk) 07:21, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * : Thanks. I remember Talk:有營養. I agreed there unwillingly. Would be great if we had CFI for Chinese, so that we have a clear policy on what is allowed to include and more importantly, what is a word in Chinese in an unambiguous way. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 07:30, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * : Another question, how is it better to translate ambitious as or 有雄心? --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 07:33, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I prefer the latter, for "ambitious" and similar English adjectives. Wyang (talk) 07:38, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * : Just in case you didn't notice, the former method uses "alt=", actually linking to entry . --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 07:41, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I like the latter more since it also links to 有, in case people are wondering what that means. It's only a weak preference though. Wyang (talk) 07:50, 12 June 2018 (UTC)


 * I agree with Wyang - we should be looking at C-C dictionaries and what they include. 有+[词] is pretty much always SoP, and we can include a usage example at the relevant entry anyway. ---&#62; Tooironic (talk) 07:51, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I also agree with Frank. 有-phrases like 有雄心 are definitely SoP. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 12:46, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks all but is anyone brave enough to write up CFI for Chinese and define "word" in the Chinese context once and for all? --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 12:54, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Here are some simple definitions of '詞' (similar to 'word') from Mandarin Chinese dictionaries: "語句中具有完整概念，能獨立自由運用的基本單位. ", "语言里最小的、可以自由运用的单位. " Xiandai Hanyu Cidian Ed 7 p212 & Xiandai Hanyu Cidian Shiyongben (1977) p156, "语言结构中的基本单位，能独立运用，具有声音、意义和语法功能. " Cihai Ed 6 p333. I like the Cihai definition most. --Geographyinitiative (talk) 13:41, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * : Thanks, but I meant "word" in the Wiktionary sense - criteria for inclusion. At the moment is a little bit loose, more like on a gut feeling or inclusion in some major dictionaries. 有 + noun gave rise to some Japanese and Korean descendant, where they are considered words, not SoP's. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 14:07, 12 June 2018 (UTC)