Talk:杰

Do you know if Teochew ged5 ged8 > geg5 geg8 is related? —Suzukaze-c◇◇ 20:46, 8 February 2019 (UTC)


 * It's 秬 with pronunciation geg8 in《新編潮州音字典》by 林倫倫. <南方汉语古越语底层问题新探> by 龔群虎, <壮侗语和汉语闽、粤方言的共同点> by 曹廣衢 and <关于东南方言的“底层"研究> by 李如龍 all consider geg8 as cognate with Cantonese 杰 ("viscous"). Meixian Hakka 結 (/kiat̚¹/) should also be related (結 as meaning "viscous" is listed in 《漢語方言詞彙》 and <南方汉语古越语底层问题新探>, but not in 《梅縣方言詞典》). For Hokkien 洘 (khó) though, I'm not sure as it does not have a checked tone, and Taiwan's Ministry of Education considers it to be the same character that appeared in Guangyun. RcAlex36 (talk) 02:10, 9 February 2019 (UTC)


 * For your information, there's also a word 滒 (go1) in Teochew that means "viscous" (Source). Not sure if it's in any way related to Hokkien 洘 (khó). RcAlex36 (talk) 02:20, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Isn't kit in Penang Hokkien a Cantonese loanword?
While I don't have source to prove this but there is no definition of "thick" for 汔? Pretty sure 庇能福建話協會 just use its pronunciation.
 * I don't know if it's entirely clear. Are there any other loanwords from Cantonese where the 6th tone in Cantonese becomes the 8th tone in Penang Hokkien? I think we should keep it as 汔 unless there's any source to back up the claim that it's from Cantonese. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 21:52, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I've checked 闽南方言大词典, and it lists 咭 (kit8) as a Zhangzhou Hokkien word. It's probably not a Cantonese loan then (but probably related to the Cantonese word). — justin(r)leung { (t...) 00:49, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your confirmation, no wonder why it didn't speak in other region then! Caferatte89 (talk) 01:51, 24 March 2019 (UTC)