Talk:薬の代

RFD discussion: February–March 2014
Non-idiomatic sum of parts, not useful as a translation target, and not a very common or typical expression. Haplogy (話) 01:01, 13 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete. The kun'yomi for  here strikes me as exceedingly unlikely, especially as the compound  can be read as kusuri-dai, but not as kusuri-shiro.  &#8209;&#8209; Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 01:12, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I find this term with this reading over at Weblio, listing a source of JMdict. But  doesn't seem to throw up any instances of this used as a term -- I keep finding it where the final  is the first component of a separate word.  Even adding in the hiragana reading,  only finds nine hits, which all appear to be likely JMdict echo chambers.
 * does find one hit that looks like real use, but from an older text using historical (i.e. not modern) hiragana. Perhaps it's archaic?
 * , could you weigh in on this as a native speaker? Does kusuri no shiro sound valid to your ears?  &#8209;&#8209; Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 01:31, 13 February 2014 (UTC)


 * It's also in EDICT with "くすりのしろ" reading. It seems attestable. Keep .--Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 01:58, 13 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete. It is a sum of parts. In addition, the noun (shiro) for a fee is obsolete, and you use the noun  (daikin) or the suffixe  (-dai) today. — T AKASUGI Shinji (talk) 02:02, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
 * It may be SoP but this obsolete reading is used in a few online dictionaries with 薬. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 02:30, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Use in dictionaries != attestable. In addition, a number of us have found errors in EDICT / JMdict / etc, making appearance in those dictionaries even less useful as attestation.  Google books only finds one instance of use, short of the three needed, and I agree with Takasugi-san that it doesn't seem terribly idiomatic anyway.  For that matter, the English translation given of "cost of medicine" isn't idiomatic either.  "Cost of X" maps pretty well to "X no shiro" -- the X could be anything.  Given too that shiro isn't used this way anymore in modern Japanese, and I see several reasons not to include this as a term.  &#8209;&#8209; Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 03:21, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I meant that "薬の代" (without pronunciation) is attestable. Online dictionaries just confirm the pronunciation "くすりのしろ" (kusuri no shiro), which may be dated. Delete, if you wish (it's not so valuable and it is SoP) but the whole term "薬の代" is used in books, more than once. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 03:52, 13 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for clarifying. However, I cannot find instances of 薬の代 where the  isn't the last half of another word, like  or, or where the  isn't the first half of another word, like  or  or even .  See .  &#8209;&#8209; Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 18:57, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. It is a SoP and not idiomatic, although there is at least a real use: "月日もきのふけふ　あすかの瀬（せ）にハ　漁（すなど）りし薬の代（しろ）." Whym (talk) 11:45, 23 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Changing my vote to delete. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 16:09, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Deleted. — T AKASUGI Shinji (talk) 02:01, 13 March 2014 (UTC)