Talk:見渡す限り

RFD discussion: August 2020–November 2021
I added this (probably based upon inclusion in EDICT), but perhaps it is really sum of parts. —Suzukaze-c (talk) 08:37, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Ya, pretty much any verb + winds up meaning "to the extent that one  s".  ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 17:34, 13 August 2020 (UTC)


 * True, but some of these are common enough that are almost idiomatic. This entry is also listed in NHK accent dictionary as well so it's good to keep I guess. Shen233 (talk) 21:56, 4 September 2020 (UTC)


 * I find the inclusion in the NHK accent dictionary to be a bit confusing.
 * is unaccented:
 * み わたす
 * as a combining element is accented on the first mora:
 * か ​ ぎり
 * The two combine in a simple additive fashion:
 * み わたす  か ​  ぎり
 * I still hold that this is a sum-of-parts term. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 20:51, 8 September 2020 (UTC)


 * One interesting thing I noted in NHK accent dictionary is that they included devoicing on the す. I suppose sum-of-parts but idiomatic?? Shen233 (talk) 01:01, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * If it's only a sum of parts, it's not idiomatic, and vice versa. Devoicing on an unaccented  just before an unvoiced hard stop like the initial  in  is pretty normal phonology for Japanese, I think, so there's no surprises there.  The real question then is whether the meaning is idiomatic, or just a combination of the meanings of the constituent terms.  In my understanding,  is just  +.
 * By way of comparison, the roughly synonymous English phrase is used commonly enough to have its own initialism, .  But, as we can see at that entry, the expanded phrase is a sum of its parts.  ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 05:27, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. Fixed enough. It also has an entry on Daijisen. — T AKASUGI Shinji (talk) 04:35, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
 * @Shinji, I'm curious why? What makes this a lexical item, any more than 想像する限り, or 食べきる限り?  ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 22:37, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 * 限り is usually a concessive construction. 想像する限り means “as far as I can imagine (but that might not be the case beyond that)”. 見渡す限り simply means “as far as I can see” without meaning “but that might not be the case beyond that”. You don’t say 見渡す限りでは, which would be possible if it was concessive. — T AKASUGI Shinji (talk) 23:20, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 * FWIW, I do note instances of this construction, albeit less commonly, as at . ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 06:00, 14 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Kept —Suzukaze-c (talk) 04:59, 14 November 2021 (UTC)