Talk:隣

Japanese term derivation
, oddly, the verb only appears in texts centuries after the noun. See for instance the KDJ entries at Kotobank for both tonari and tonaru, where tonari appears in the Nihon Shoki of 720, but the earliest we get for tonaru as a verb seems to be an 1163 Japanese translation of the 646 Chinese work, . This suggests that tonaru may be a back-formation from tonari.

Also, I'm not sure the East / West variances merit fully separate etym sections. It's not clear how common the Eastern is (I haven't had time yet to analyze the MYS), and this might just be a reflex of Western. FWIW, analyzing the MYS for to nouns 音, 所/処, and 外, the first one is always, and the latter two are always , for both Eastern and Western, as far as I've been able to ferret out. I haven't yet found any cases of a noun to that's commonly spelled with in Western but  in Eastern. I can compile my findings into a table with links if that would be helpful. See also Reconstruction_talk:Proto-Japonic/tonari and User_talk:Eirikr for related discussions. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 20:38, 20 June 2019 (UTC)


 * to begin, how did the scholars conclude #1738 to be ? Clearly have no idea what's going on here, is it due to the reconstructions? Also, here's to share (might be helpful?):
 * 1738 (sinagado2ri Apa ni tugi1taru adusayumi1... to2nari no2 ki1mi1 pa...)
 * 3472 (pi1to2duma to2 aze kaso2 wo ipamu... to1nari no2 ki1nu wo...)
 * ～ POKéTalker（═◉═） 01:52, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Huh. Well, as far as the MYS goes, those two poems are the only ones I can find that use  at all, and 3472 is the only one with a man'yōgana spelling -- so, as you note, we have exactly zero evidence in the MYS of .  I don't know of any good sources for other ancient texts that use man'yōgana; if you're aware of any, I'd be very appreciative if you could post links.  For now, without any such textual evidence for, I'd be inclined to remove all instances of that from our OJP entries.  ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 23:13, 21 June 2019 (UTC)