Talk:雙陸

The Hokkien reading
闽南方言大词典 and 闽南话漳腔词典 have siang-le̍k, both as 一種賭具.

The homophone list from 漳州市志 also has 陸 le̍k 雙～（賭具）.

[https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Dictionary_of_the_Hok_k%C3%AB%C3%A8n_Dialect_o/NTtNAAAAcAAJ W.H.Medhurst. A Dictionary of the Hok-këèn Dialect]:
 * p. 448: le̍k 陸, song-lio̍k 雙陸 song-le̍k, the game of dominoes

I believe that they all just copy from 雅俗通十五音 ("陸 le̍k 雙～，賭具", see 《增注雅俗通十五音》校释 v. 4 p. 1693) and infer the pronunciation for the first character.

Also [https://www.google.com/books/edition/Nederlandsch_Chineesch_woordenboek_met_d/d8DVJ2-DudgC Gustaaf Schlegel. Nederlandsch-Chineesch woordenboek]:
 * p. 205: Triktrak 雙六, 雙陸 song-lio̍k
 * p. 575: zij verbrandde haar verkeerbord, en wierp haar damspel naar alle kanten heen 焚雙陸，撒圍棋 hûn song-lio̍k, sat uî-kî

(interestingly, the latter citation is from the Cantonese songbook 花箋記)

Many 19th century English dictionaries interpret 雙陸\雙六 as "dice" (both the game and the object), "chess", etc. The game itself was preserved in Japan as sugoroku, but ceased to exist in Qing. The definition requires some reworking, but at least there is no reason to split the "Zhangzhou Hokkien" definition from the general definition.

Honestly, I would rather label the readings with le̍k as dated, but that may be frowned upon by other editors, since the siang-le̍k is found in at least three modern sources, even if they just copy-paste from 雅俗通十五音.
 * --QuestionableAnswers (talk) 09:30, 29 June 2024 (UTC)