Talk:鮮卑

Also Xianbi?
Is this group's name also sometimes spelled Xianbi? 173.88.246.138 19:06, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Guoyu quote
鮮卑 in the Guoyu quote you've added is possibly a scribal error of 鮮牟. Some manuscripts have 鮮牟 (e.g. ,,, , , but see ), and so does 國語集解 published by Zhonghua Book Company in 2002 (see p. 430), with the commentary 黃丕烈曰：「 鮮牟 ，一本作『 鮮卑 』，非. 」『 鮮牟 』即 宣 九年之『根牟』也，今 琅邪 陽都縣 東有 牟鄉. 」RcAlex36 (talk) 03:42, 13 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the research! I'll remove the Guoyu' quote just for safety's sake. I think it makes sense that 鮮卑 results from a scribal error for 鮮卑, which is turn results from a scribal error for 根牟; according to, the were  , so they lived near the Chu (and both peoples lived to the east & south of the Sinitic-speaking Zhou et al.) and were more likely to be the people whom Guoyu mentioned alongside the Chu. EDIT: Will also edit the wikipedia  article. Erminwin (talk) 15:39, 13 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Not sure if 根牟 is a scribal error for 鮮牟 as 根 and 鮮 do not look similar. RcAlex36 (talk) 15:47, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @RcAlex36 Indeed, I drew that conclusion based on the comment:「『鮮牟』即宣九年之『根牟』也」/ "The Xianmou are the Genmou in '(Zuo Zhuan's chapter) Xuan's 9th year'". A safer conclusion should be: 鮮牟 and 根牟 were Old Chinese transcriptions of the endonyms of an Eastern Yi sub-group. Erminwin (talk) 16:07, 13 June 2023 (UTC)