Talk:미끄럽다

Etymology
This appears to be a compound: perhaps some variant of + possessive infix -s- +  + ? ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 01:10, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Interesting theory. This is what the inbuilt Korean dictionary of Mac says:

"〔√믯[滑]＋글(접사)＋업(접사)-다. ➙믯그럽다(百聯 20) / 믯그러워(杜詩初 25:41)＞믯글업다(譯語補 5)＞미끄럽다〕"
 * This is related to, which has the following passage:

"〔√믯[滑]＋글(접사)＋아지(접사). ➙밋그라지(物名 2:4)＞미꾸라지〕"
 * Regarding, Seo Jeongbeom's Korean Etymological Dictionary says:

"‘믯’의 말음 ㅅ은 사잇소리다. 그렇게 본다면 ‘구리’는 ‘굴+이’로 분석되며 명사다. ‘믜’는 믇>믈>믈이>므이>믜의 변화로서, 물(水)의 뜻을 지닌다."
 * also proposing a relationship with . Wyang (talk) 03:37, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Aha, so the root is not directly + possessive infix -s- outright, but at least a root of, derived from.
 * For the latter portion, as just an "affix" seems quite vague.  There's the clear example shown in  with adjectivizing infix -b-, and a lack of clarity in the Mac dictionary.  Are there other qualitative verbs that end in 그럽다?  ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 06:57, 23 August 2016 (UTC)


 * 글 seems to be an ideophone (擬態語) suffix. There are a lot of adjectives ending in 그럽다:
 * A lot of adjectives ending in 끄럽다 can be traced to (s) + +  + :
 * I suspect may contain this as well. Wyang (talk) 07:26, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * A lot of adjectives ending in 끄럽다 can be traced to (s) + +  + :
 * I suspect may contain this as well. Wyang (talk) 07:26, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * A lot of adjectives ending in 끄럽다 can be traced to (s) + +  + :
 * I suspect may contain this as well. Wyang (talk) 07:26, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * A lot of adjectives ending in 끄럽다 can be traced to (s) + +  + :
 * I suspect may contain this as well. Wyang (talk) 07:26, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * A lot of adjectives ending in 끄럽다 can be traced to (s) + +  + :
 * I suspect may contain this as well. Wyang (talk) 07:26, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * A lot of adjectives ending in 끄럽다 can be traced to (s) + +  + :
 * I suspect may contain this as well. Wyang (talk) 07:26, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I suspect may contain this as well. Wyang (talk) 07:26, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I suspect may contain this as well. Wyang (talk) 07:26, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I suspect may contain this as well. Wyang (talk) 07:26, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I suspect may contain this as well. Wyang (talk) 07:26, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I suspect may contain this as well. Wyang (talk) 07:26, 23 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Two thoughts arise for me, after reading this.
 * Is this 글 also the root of ? If so, is this essentially  +  as a suffix?
 * Is it correct to analyze 그럽다 as + ?
 * TIA, ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 20:07, 23 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Really interesting possibility; the origin of seems obscure, but a relationship with  is possible. 그럽다 would be analysed as  (which can be either part of the root or an affix) + . I had a look in the Middle Korean reference books I have and could not find any reference to the root-forming element . It seems to me that  could be a long-obsolete ideophone suffix, which gave rise to Middle Korean 擬態語 roots, ,  (< ), , to which  was added to produce the modern —그럽다 words. Some evidence for the ideophonic nature of these roots is in the expressive adjectives:
 * , =  (this is the ablaut form of the above)
 * ~, vs
 * It would be part of the ideophone allofam of *-kuC-, where the "elements", and  also belong. For example:
 * Root :, , , etc.
 * Root :
 * Root :, , ,
 * And the common *ku in the allofam may be related to.
 * P.S. Seo considers the kur(i) in and its ancestor  to be related to  and . I'm not very convinced. Wyang (talk) 04:39, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Root :, , , etc.
 * Root :
 * Root :, , ,
 * And the common *ku in the allofam may be related to.
 * P.S. Seo considers the kur(i) in and its ancestor  to be related to  and . I'm not very convinced. Wyang (talk) 04:39, 24 August 2016 (UTC)