Talk:🐸

RFV discussion: June–July 2021
J3133 (talk) 00:35, 13 June 2021 (UTC)


 * "(Internet slang) Pepe the Frog". Not a word in a language, nor really a "symbol", and should if anything be Translingual, not English. Tempted to speedy it. It is just a picture. Equinox ◑ 11:10, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * If this were an RfD, I would absolutely vote to delete it. Last that I checked, English does not have pictographs as part of its writing system. Frankly, Unicode ought to have kept with their original stance that smileys were outside of the scope and purpose of Unicode. I can't think of any valid reason for why they did a 180°. I can only imagine that it is yet another unfortunate by-product of the advent of smartdevices and the social media age, along with ugly and uncreative UI design, lack of respect for and/or understanding of people's privacy and right to their personal information, lazy programming on websites, etc.


 * With that said, having a translingual entry indicating (nevertheless) that the character is a part of Unicode and describing what the character is is obviously sensible enough, since users are naturally going to want to look up the picture given that it is encoded in Unicode and in regular use. Tharthan (talk) 17:32, 14 June 2021 (UTC)


 * AFAIK there is no rule saying "we must have an entry for every (printable) Unicode character". They should still be attestable, for one thing: we've had some obscure mathematical symbols that nobody could attest. Emoji, as you say, have muddied things further. If there is a de-facto belief that we should include every character then we should discuss and formalise this. Equinox ◑ 20:16, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I would love for a formal discussion about emoji and other Unicode characters to take place. Many emoji do have real meaning used in everyday digital communication. "🧢" is used all the time for AAVE "cap", for example. AntisocialRyan (talk) 22:43, 22 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Sure. Why not? But I think we are talking at cross-purposes for now. Nobody is denying that the symbol exists or that is has a meaning (just like a no-smoking sign). We are questioning whether it is "a word in a language", which implies grammar etc. The word frog can become frogs or maybe frogging, frogged. It may be a noun or a verb. Your 🐸 is a picture. It doesn't inflect or conjugate. Equinox ◑ 02:31, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * If you haven't already, please read over the RFV for 🦀. It has some good points. "It doesn't inflect or conjugate." There's an entire Wikipedia page about words that don't inflect. We already cover other things that do not conjugate, such as most symbols, emoticons, and sign language signs. You could keep denying the significance of emoji in day-to-day communication, or try being open-minded about this. AntisocialRyan (talk) 16:40, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I see how it is . Anyone who suggests that pictures are not English words is "stuck in the past" and "close-minded". Uh-huh.
 * Fact: English does not use a pictographic writing system. Full stop. Any attempt to claim otherwise is disingenuous. Assigning pictures to Unicode character locations does not change the fact that English does not use a pictographic writing system.
 * Now, if you succeed in getting a pictographic conlang spoken as the world international language, perhaps we can have it listed as a word in that language. Until then, it is nothing more than a picture that incidentally is encoded in Unicode, and thus can be listed under "Translingual," following its usage. Tharthan (talk) 21:54, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * My apologies, I didn't mean to come off as rude. Perhaps if I used an emoji it would sound sweeter. 😊 I agree that, most of the time, emoji should be translingual, except, for example, 🐴. However their importance in modern text communication shouldn't be ignored, and emoji with meanings other than their Unicode codepoint name should be noted. AntisocialRyan (talk) 22:22, 7 July 2021 (UTC)


 * "Try being open-minded" is disgusting propaganda. Why don't you try being close-minded? The world was better before we opened our brains so far that every dogshit could fall in. Equinox ◑ 06:02, 21 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Cited for standalone "🐸". In this case, I can't find "🐸" used in English sentences, so the English section can be deleted. However, emoji like 🐴 is actually used in Chinese sentence with meaning other than horse, so I'll see if similar thing happens in English. EdwardAlexanderCrowley (talk) 13:14, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

RFV-failed Kiwima (talk) 20:48, 15 July 2021 (UTC)