Talk:-eresse

RFD discussion: August–December 2020
French suffix, presumably an alt form of but unused. Ultimateria (talk) 18:09, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Not unused, we have, , , , , , , , , , , and . Not all of them really have a suffix , of course. —Mahāgaja · talk 19:36, 14 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Rather obviously, is not .  --Lambiam 14:58, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * It's instructive to observe what fr:-eresse has. The gloss is just "Suffixe servant à former des mots féminins." and the two odd-ones-out are lumped in with a range of feminine agent nouns, the more usual sense of this suffix. I'd suggest to keep the entry and add a sense for the feminine agent noun use. This, that and the other (talk) 08:02, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Synchronically, is just the feminine of, just like . Excepted some action or result nouns like , all the others are feminine agent nouns with masculine counterparts like  feminine of  (instead of synchornically expected regular *vengeuse). Thus its surface analysis is . Malku H₂n̥rés (talk) 16:40, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * To know if a word is formed of -esse or -eresse, the best is to compare the masculine and the feminine to find the common root (for quakeresse, the common root is quaker, therefore quaker + -esse, for chasseresse, the common root is chass, therefore chass + -eresse). Thomas Linard (talk) 16:39, 10 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep, it's a real suffix, it's used (beyond the words in the category, others with this ending are danseresse, empereresse (obsolete?), guinderesse, menteresse), and the current etymology is also incomplete (superficial): this ending goes back to the same Latin root as -atrice, and initially became -eriz, then changed under the influence of -esse, as I learned while investigating something else (the origin of the "er" in "casserole"). - -sche (discuss) 05:44, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * empereresse is very old (according to https://cnrtl.fr/definition/dmf/emperesse, it's a XVth century spelling) and not used anymore. emperesse is still used, but in only one case: for Mathilde l'Emperesse (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empress_Matilda). You can consult the category on the Wiktionnaire for the French: https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/Cat%C3%A9gorie:Mots_en_fran%C3%A7ais_suffix%C3%A9s_avec_-eresse or the entry -eresse, for French, Middle French and Old French: https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/-eresse Thomas Linard (talk) 15:02, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

RFD kept &mdash; Dentonius 06:23, 16 December 2020 (UTC)