Talk:-lék

Etymology
Pinging @Adam78 and @Panda10 as the two active Hungarian editors that I'm aware of:

Curious about the statement in the Etymology section that the initial -l is the verb-forming suffix, given that 1) that suffix apparently only attaches "to a noun, an adjective or less frequently to an adverb", whereas the -lék suffix attaches to verbs; and 2) I can't seem to find any evidence of Hungarian verbs like adal or toldal or függel, etc. that might represent [VERB] + -l without the additional -ék part.

All of the -[a|e|∅]lék nouns I've looked at appear to be the passive object of the action of the verb. This roughly fits for the resultative definition given at, with an additional passive sense. Consider:


 * : that which is washed away → scraps off the plates → leftover food used for swill as feed for pigs, etc.
 * : that which is added / spliced onto something else → an addition
 * : that which is kept back → a reserve, a spare
 * : that which is stuffed (as the object, not the destination) → stuffing
 * : that which is cooked → the common Hungarian vegetable stew

I think this -l piece must be something other than just a verb-forming suffix. Is there some other meaning inherent to this suffix than just [make this word a verb]? Or might there be a second etymology for this -l, some other derivation and function? ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 21:57, 16 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the question. I've expanded the entry of with verbs. These derivations are mostly obsolete, but one can still distinguish between three semantic types. You can find more information both on  and  in the source linked from  (p. 434 and p. 421). The source available from  is more comprehensive but it doesn’t have entries on suffixes as such. Adam78 (talk) 16:15, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * There is an entry for -lék in the old Czuczor-Fogarasi dictionary. It says it's a compound suffix from le and ék. I have a hard time understanding it. Adam, I hope it makes more sense to you. Panda10 (talk) 16:22, 17 April 2024 (UTC)