Talk:Agga

Isn't this a borrowing from ? ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  08:53, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I wasn't aware of the Sranan term, but if that is indeed the attested form then it would seem likely yes as there are quite a lot of Surinamers there. (Is Roffa also from Sranan? It seems like it was formed similarly. Nimma (Nijmegen) may be related too, perhaps as a parody of Agga/Roffa.) — Mnemosientje (t · c) 10:34, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't know whether Roffa is from Sranan, but I am sceptical. Haag > Haga > Aga > Agga would be a straightforward development, but t > f seems rather strange. One unreliable site says it is a Sranan Tongo word for "tough", but the word is apparently ròf, which seems a recent borrowing from English, so it would have to be supplemented with a suffix -a. But imo the derivation from "tough" reeks of armchair etymology all around and there is nothing compelling about it.
 * It would be interesting to check in what community it first became current, unfortunately Delpher, DBNL and Usenet are of no use. ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  11:01, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Perhaps it'd be better to leave Roffa and Nimma be for now then, but you could add the Sranan origin idea to the ety here. — Mnemosientje (t · c) 11:08, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Done. Could you perhaps add an IPA transcription? ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  11:33, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Also done, though I keep thinking that our templates might need to be able to handle short /a/, because this definitely isn't pronounced like the aa in haar, for example. Also I just thought about it some more and I realized that I mentally kept reading this as if the  is pronounced /ɣ/ instead of /g/, but it is in fact /g/, which suggests that your loanword etymology is probably correct (and probably should be the first listed, or even the only one listed). — Mnemosientje (t · c) 12:23, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
 * That's funny, I wondered just before how the Sranan Tongo would be pronounced, regular with or differently because it was a loanword. As for the a, isn't short  just a common Hollandic realisation of  (which doesn't occur before codal )? ←₰-→  Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  12:32, 12 February 2019 (UTC)