Talk:Arean

Definition says, "Of or relating to Mars". I went looking for citations to clarify the entry as to whether it pertained to the deity or the planet, but could not find any b.g.c. English citations. Nor does this appear in the original OED or Oxford's sci-fi dictionary. Please help! --EncycloPetey 00:42, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * The deity should properly be Ares. We may be missing deity-related senses for Martian and martial. Pingku 12:06, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * We now have one 1894 quote relating to the planet. --EncycloPetey 16:45, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Schiaparelli, or perhaps translations of Schiaparelli, used the word around that time. I'm not aware of any other instances of it.
 * Sorry, I thought the tag was a request for citation, so I deleted it after supplying the cite.
 * BTW, although it looks like a homonym for Aryan, it possibly was intended to be ə-REE-ən. I doubt we can know. kwami 23:26, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, it was both a request for clarification and a request for citations. To meet WT:CFI, Wiktionary requires three durably archived citations per sense.  Alternatively, a single usage in a "well-known" work, or single use in a peer-reviewed journal will also suffice.  If you can find it in an astronomy journal, that would be enough for the astronomic sense.  I wasn't very successful in my own hunt, but I don't have easy access to great astronomical resources.  I'd look in my copy of Cosmos but I haven't seen it since I moved.  It's the sort of word I can imagine Sagan using.  I didn't find it in Edgar Rice Burroughs either.


 * So, the question at this point is whether the word also pertains to the Greek deity, since we have a Nature citation for the astronomical sense. --EncycloPetey 23:33, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I found two more citations for the planet sense (from SF) and split the senses. Just one for the deity sense - I'd thought it would have been easier than it has proved. It seems also to be a surname and there is another deity, "Na Arean", (and variants) who apparently gets a mention in Cosmos (page 25 in someone's copy.)
 * My favourite scanno is "Arean square inches." Pingku 13:39, 14 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Since you were able to find that, can you dig up anything more on Mimantean? I have one (as 'Mimantian') from Socrates, but other than that only blogs and the JPL website, which only mentions the word, so I haven't used them as refs. (JPL Hulles BadAstronomy. It would seem from our rules that blogs are good enough for the 3 citations, but it would be nice to have s.t. that's been published.)


 * As for Atlantean, I've seen at least one dictionary claim that the -ian spelling is used for 'of Atlantis' and the -ean spelling for 'of Atlas', but I don't know how robust that is. kwami 19:04, 14 June 2010 (UTC)


 * JPL (first link you cited) has a usage as well as a mention of 'Mimantean': "This is puzzling because Mimas is closer to Saturn than Enceladus, and the Mimantean orbit is much more eccentric (out of round) than the Enceladean orbit." I'm not sure that counts though, because of the mention. Pingku 01:52, 15 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Ah, good catch. How did I miss that?
 * How would the mention be a problem? In the CFI link EncycloPetey provided, we even have an example with a mention inside a usage. kwami 06:33, 15 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Just a feeling that if every time you see a word used it has had to be defined first, you haven't proved it's not a neologism or a nonce word or something similar. Perhaps my concern is not widely shared. In any case, it's probably not a problem in this case. Pingku 10:44, 15 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I think it's cited now. Pingku 15:58, 18 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Almost. It looks like the 1998 cite for the god-Ares sense is not durably archived, so it doesn't count for verification. But the other five cites seem O.K. (though I'm not positive about all of them). —Ruakh TALK 22:59, 8 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep the meaning "of the planet Mars", move the meaning "of the god Ares" to Citations:Arean? - -sche 20:20, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Cited with two new quotations. Comical, that the meaning "relating to Ares" is rarer than "relating to Mars"! - -sche (discuss) 04:47, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Rare, but cited. - -sche (discuss) 18:34, 21 April 2011 (UTC)