Talk:Blessed Virgin

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 * The point of “the” in the headword is to indicate how it is used. Removing this useful information is not “formatting”. Cf. . J3133 (talk) 09:25, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Except it isn't. Isn't this title used principally in direct address?


 * Anyway, yes, sure, add it back for times someone would be referring to her this way in the third person for some reason. — LlywelynII  09:29, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * : The quotations in the OED use the Blessed Virgin. How would you indicate that the is only used in the third person—with a usage note? J3133 (talk) 09:33, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I think it's natural in English to drop it in direct address. Note that—until I just changed it to bring it in line with your requests here—Madonna didn't dump the article into the head. It just put a lb tag on the sense. — LlywelynII  09:36, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * : I added that lb tag at Madonna (diff). J3133 (talk) 09:38, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * So... why didn't you just do that here? — LlywelynII  09:42, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * : Because Madonna is only sometimes used with the (in the third person), unlike Blessed Virgin. Putting “sometimes” in the headword is not an option. J3133 (talk) 09:49, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * ... but Blessed Virgin is only sometimes used with "the" (in the third person) in exactly the same manner and "(the)" precisely means "sometimes" in the headword.


 * Anyway, it's fixed now, right? I'll keep adding it to similar entries like Mother of God and you just try to be more consistent yourself. Great. — LlywelynII  10:23, 7 May 2023 (UTC)