Talk:Charizard

RFV discussion: September 2011–March 2012
Trademark; specific character from the Pokémon range of children's toys. Needs to meet WT:BRAND. Equinox ◑ 20:04, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Moved to Appendix:Pokémon/Mewtwo, Appendix:Pokémon/Charizard, Appendix:Pokémon/Meowth. - -sche (discuss) 22:42, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

RFV discussion: June–July 2021
I believe with the added quotations, this passes both brand, if that applies, and fictional universes now. If it doesn't, there are some other cites that could be included. DAVilla 03:47, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
 * It looks to me like it is all within the fictional universe of pocket monsters. Kiwima (talk) 04:53, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, there were a lot of quotations that were fairly useless. I've trimmed those out. Looking better? DAVilla 07:54, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * As promised, there are some newer cites, now added. I love the one about the robber who lures players out into the woods, but the quotes from this year are probably the best new ones for our purposes here. DAVilla 10:15, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * No? The quotes refer to Charizard as a Pokemon, which means they are not "independent of reference to that universe". In practise, being "independent" means that the word must be genericized in a way. For example, if a source were to use it to refer to any fire-spewing, flying lizard-like entity.__Gamren (talk) 06:02, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
 * If Charizard needed to refer to any fire-spewing lizard-like entity, then CFI would specify that it had to be used in a generic sense rather than an "attributive" one. Quite literally, "independent of reference" means there aren't any references to that universe. Not all of the cites listed pass that, I know, but the robber in the woods was just too funny not to include. There only need to be 3, and in practice while they could be generic it's more precise to note that they should be "out of context". In the last example given, "as if we had just announced that we were from the planet Vulcan" names the one and only planet Vulcan, but does not make reference to the Star Wars universe. DAVilla 02:06, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
 * (Edit.) DAVilla 03:51, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what whoever wrote that meant by "attributive", but I'm guessing it means "used in such a way as to describe an attribute of something". So, for example, "that dog is a real Charizard" or "that's a very Charizard thing to say", or "the house was a Charizard of bricks and cement", or "she was the neighborhood Charizard". Charizard is a part of the Pokemon universe, and therefore any source that uses "Charizard" to refer simply to Charizard is making "reference to that Universe". That's why, in practise, it needs to be genericized. Examples:, , , , . Maybe the language of CFI needs to be clarified.__Gamren (talk) 13:04, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * We may be talking at this from incongruous angles if we have a different understanding of what it means to be "genericized". Regardless, here's your answer in underline, analogous to the above:
 * 2017 September 19, Gabbie Hanna, “Chivalry”, Adultolescence, Atria/Keywords Press, page 52:
 * i’m a holographic charizard: / highly desired and rare / yo, / i even drop pokémon references / ’cause i’m fuckin’ dope as shit
 * Attributive (you may say generic) in a way that's so explicit, it's currently not included in citations because it gives too much away. DAVilla 23:23, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Well can you find 3 sources that use "Charizard" to mean "thing that is sought-after"?__Gamren (talk) 16:41, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
 * FWIW, in that cite it is the holographic nature of the Pokemon card which is being referenced as making it highly desired (because holographic cards are rare), a holographic Blastoise is also more desirable and rare than a non-holographic Charizard or Blastoise. So, I don't see that as using "charizard" to mean "something sought-after"; if anything, it's using "holographic charizard" to mean that, or (given how many other card games also make a percentage of their cards holographic to make them sought-after rarities) it might be something to cover at holographic, depending on whether there are other citations to be found, of e.g. "holographic blastoise", "holographic pikachu", "I'm a holographic card" (or "she's a holographic card", etc, meaning "...is rare/valuable"). (Whether the other citations are CFI-compliant citations of is a separate matter which this comment is not expressing an opinion on.) - -sche (discuss) 01:07, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

RFV-failed. All quotes refer to the Pokemon universe or its spinoffs (cards, the phone-based game). Kiwima (talk) 22:11, 18 July 2021 (UTC)