Talk:First-Class-

RFV discussion: July–August 2015
RfV for the Part of Speech please.

Erste-Klasse- shouldn't be an adjective, but rather a "combining form" (that wording is used in tri-).

Also: Maybe they should be deleted like Boden-Boden. -84.161.33.177 00:15, 19 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, I would delete these for the same reason as "Boden-Boden". "Erste" is a word, "Klasse" is a word, and one could even argue that "Erste Klasse" was an idiomatic phrase, and that "Erste-Klasse" was its attributive form like is the attributive form of . But in the same way that we don't have, we shouldn't have . It's like "cloud-to" / "cloud-to-": it's not a word, it's either two terms ("cloud", "to") or part of a longer term ("cloud-to-ground lightning"). - -sche (discuss) 19:28, 19 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Superseded and dealt with by RFD. - -sche (discuss) 07:09, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Erste-Klasse-
RfV for the Part of Speech please.

Erste-Klasse- shouldn't be an adjective, but rather a "combining form" (that wording is used in tri-).

Also: Maybe they should be deleted like Boden-Boden. -84.161.33.177 00:15, 19 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, I would delete these for the same reason as "Boden-Boden". "Erste" is a word, "Klasse" is a word, and one could even argue that "Erste Klasse" was an idiomatic phrase, and that "Erste-Klasse" was its attributive form like is the attributive form of . But in the same way that we don't have, we shouldn't have . It's like "cloud-to" / "cloud-to-": it's not a word, it's either two terms ("cloud", "to") or part of a longer term ("cloud-to-ground lightning"). - -sche (discuss) 19:28, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Cf. Requests for verification. -84.161.50.63 21:33, 19 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete both IMO. Create either (the form the Duden lemmatizes) or, and then  as an attributive form of it, probably without a misleading inflection table. Possibly create  or , and a similar hyphenated attributive form. See my logic above about . - -sche (discuss) 23:44, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Similar question: Is criminal-law really a noun? Can it stand alone, like "Criminal-law is the body of law that relates to crime." instead of "Criminal law is the body of law that relates to crime." (en.wp)? So forms like "Criminal-law" and "Erste-Klasse-" should be deleted, or the header should be changed to something else, like "Form" ("combing form", "attributive form", ...).
 * Wouldn't "erste Klasse" be SoP? (erste = first, and there's the meaning "most excellent".)
 * Duden uses "first class", but doesn't give a gender, so it looks like an adjective. [www.wissen.de/fremdwort/first-class] even states that it is an adjective.
 * If it is an adjective, then (a) "First Class" would be wrong, and (b) shouldn't it be "first class Hotel" instead of "First-Class-Hotel" (duden)? So, could it be that it isn't always viewed as an adjective?
 * RfV for the part of speech, and RfD are two different things.
 * -84.161.28.106 12:42, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Erste Klasse is as SOP or as not-SOP as, and we have that.
 * and are attributive forms of nouns (the header for which is "Noun", much as the header for past tense forms of verbs is still "Verb"). - -sche (discuss) 07:08, 9 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Moved per the above. - -sche (discuss) 07:08, 9 August 2015 (UTC)