Talk:Fraktur

For some reason, [//en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Fraktur&oldid=21039667 this version] shows up with the } and | un-Fraktur-ified (i.e., they still show up as } and |, which is why I initially removed the paragraph), whereas [//en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Fraktur&oldid=21037290 this version] didn't (which is why I added it back, not realising that the underlying text and not just the displayed text differed). Given that the point of the example is to show Fraktur script, but the script will only display correct if one has a specific font and script support installed, might it be wiser to use only images? - -sche (discuss) 16:11, 14 June 2013 (UTC)


 * You can see the text after downloading and installing the font as suggested, and then you can see how Fraktur works and how to produce a Fraktur text on your computer. You can’t get that from an image. —Stephen (Talk) 17:51, 14 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Why are we still relying on non-standard fonts, when they have been obsoleted by proper Unicode Fraktur fonts? The text i| es mögli<, daß wir die typi\<e is broken, since the web page declares the character encoding as UTF-8.


 * Try UnifrakturMaguntia or UnifrakturCook.


 * Here is a standards-compliant version. It appears that Wiktionary’s new language plugin is screwing up the font. Currently, I have to turn off JavaScript to view this with a Fraktur font. —Michael Z. 2013-06-14 18:37 z 

<blockquote lang="de-Latf" style='font-size: larger; font-family: UnifrakturMaguntia, UnifrakturCook, fraktur, serif; text-rendering: geometricPrecision; font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures discretionary-ligatures historical-ligatures contextual; font-variant-alternates: historical-forms; -moz-font-feature-settings: "hist=1, ccmp=1, liga=1, dlig=1, hlig=1, calt=1"; /* firefox 4-15 */ -moz-font-feature-settings: "hist", "ccmp", "liga", "dlig", "hlig", "calt"; -ms-font-feature-settings: "hist", "ccmp", "liga", "dlig", "hlig", "calt"; -webkit-font-feature-settings: "hist", "ccmp", "liga", "dlig", "hlig", "calt"; -o-font-feature-settings: "hist", "ccmp", "liga", "dlig", "hlig", "calt"; font-feature-settings: "hist", "ccmp", "liga", "dlig", "hlig", "calt";'> Aber — wenn von Weiſſagungen auf den Heiland im A. T. noch ferner die Rede ſehn ſoll, iſt es möglich, daß wir die typiſche Anſicht der alten Zeit über­haupt fallen laſſen können? Kann wohl etwas lächer­licher, wenigſtens unnatür­licher ſehn, als ein vier bis fünf Stellen des A. T. für weiſſagend zu halten, die, wahre Dii ex machine, in die proſaiſche, bedeutungs­loſe Reihe der rein­ver­gangenen alten Zeit, aller Analogie entgegen, ſich ein­ge­ſ‍chli­chen haben ſollen? Keinen Unparteiiſchen wird der Einwand ungläubiger Theologen: wenn es Typen geben ſolle, ſo müſte ihre Abſicht von den Zeit­genoſſen ſchon erkannt worden ſehn, ſonderlich beunruhigen können. Denn was kann den unerſchöpflichen Welt­geiſt hindern, um eine Harmonie zu begründen, die nur ſeinem Auge ſich ganz enthüllt, da und dort den Dingen Bedeutung zu geben, die dem menſchlichen Verſtande im Augen­blicke verborgen bleibt, und in Hiero­glyphen zu ſchreiben, wovon wir nur den kleinſten Theil entziffern können, der größte Theil erſt mit der Zeit zur Klarheit gelangt?


 * Yes, I would definitely prefer that we use a text + font that encoded ſt as ſt (rather than |), etc. I think we just need to update the text in this entry and the font set in common.css to do that? - -sche (discuss) 18:47, 14 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Basically, yes. The reader would still have to install the font, unless we can get a Fraktur font configured in the new Universal Language Selector. —Michael Z. 2013-06-14 18:54 z 

I’ve brought up the error at Beer_parlour/2013/June. —Michael Z. 2013-06-14 19:00 z 


 * I have updated the page with correct Unicode text, and updated the styles for .Latf in MediaWiki:Common.css. It should look right on reload, and make sense regardless of the fonts you have installed. —Michael Z. 2013-09-08 02:31 z