Talk:God

From Requests for cleanup
Entry is now a mess. Anon IP contribs seem to have completely invalidated the translations? --Connel MacKenzie 07:22, 28 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I looked at it but I couldn’t see what you mean. The page looks all right to me. I didn’t see any incorrect translations. —Stephen 12:12, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

God etymology
Good morning.

What do you think of this theory ? 1st example : Bacterion( stick)in Greek is near to iactare( latin)( throw) 2nd example : We know that In Greek, one of a nickname of Zeus is theotauros( god-Bull) In one trow, we've got 6 meanings,( three certain, one dubious, two intuitive) all related in a way to the meanings of " bonus" For instance, in Matthew 25, final doom, false gods are called goats. Can anybody tell me if there is anything about that anywhere or must I write my own article ? --90.3.114.109 10:29, 25 April 2009 (UTC)--Mark Mage 10:30, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Observation N°1
 * In latin, 2 is duo, twice is bis from duis, and viginti seems to come from disappeared duiginti*
 * Observation N° 2
 * In Greek, ballô, iallô, pallô mean "trow". Bdallô means milk ( a cow). In many languages(as in modern french)milk is pull ( traire comes from trahere,). We can consider that we can add "bdallô" to the list.
 * Observation n° 3
 * In Greek, Iacchos is a nickname of Bacchos. With observation n° 2, we can consider it's a deformation of his name.
 * Observation n°4
 * Between bos and bouis, syllable "ui" disappears as in "amasse" coming from "amauisse" (plusferfect infinitive)
 * Reasoning :
 * If we add syllable "vi" to bonus(good), we obtain bouinus, that means related to a beef.( no doubt the meat)
 * If we replace b with i, we obtain iouinus( related to Jupiter)
 * If we approximate the pronounciation, we obtain iuvenis ( young)
 * If we cut, we obtain, Iu-Venus( Zeus, Venus)
 * if we replace "b" by "du", we obtain duouinus( related to two)( beefs were often joined with a yoke)
 * if we push the analysis, we can find iunginus( related to joining)
 * Observation n°5
 * In latin, haedus means goat, and in Greek, hêdus means pleasant. ( -->hedonism)
 * In English, good, goat and God seam very similar.
 * If we replace this analogy in the context of the previous reasoning, good is the adjective related to God and to the meat of goat, and goat a synonym of God.
 * Looks like original research to me, rather than attested information. BTW, the goats referred to in Mat 25 are people, not gods, who stubbornly refuse to do God's will. Furthermore, the Greek word used in the original manuscripts is "eriphia", which literally means "kid" as far as I am aware. -- A LGRIF  talk 11:59, 25 April 2009 (UTC)


 * The "G" letter evolved from "C" and "Y". It appears that G letter pronounced as Y in ancient time. That term might come from "YOD" of aramaya or aramaik.In ancient hebrew the name of GOD always start with the letter Y!
 * But god comes via a Germanic language from a PIE root, and Hebrew and Aramaic are not PIE languages; they're Semitic, which is a different language group. The word from which "God" derives existed in Germanic languages while the Germans were still pagan.  When the Germans converted to Christianity, the pagan word was given a new meaning. --EncycloPetey 02:01, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

good etymology
What about the Old English word for "good"?-VitaminN


 * The Old English word for good is gōd, and has a separate etymology from God. —Stephen 19:58, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

God
Unnecessary duplication. Nearly same meaning for God and god in languages listed. Capitalization is optional. Lom Konkreta 17:17, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose. Also if capitalization is optional, then both are valid. Mglovesfun (talk) 17:43, 18 February 2011 (UTC)


 * This is not like Bog/bog. In English, God is an entirely different word from god. —Stephen (Talk) 04:29, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose. --Yair rand (talk) 17:09, 21 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Strong oppose. The descriptive lines are very different. A small "g" god can even be a human being or a statue. This is not the case for the entry at "God", for instance. -- A LGRIF  talk 17:23, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose per MG and Algrif. DCDuring TALK 18:05, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Kept as status quo, striking; already detagged (or maybe never tagged). &#x200b;—msh210℠ (talk) 16:59, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

God
Sense: We don't include as a sense of ship: "A vehicle that is the focus of certain linguistic conventions: a vehicle referred to by feminine pronouns", and rightly not: it's just not a definition. &#x200b;—msh210℠ (talk) 18:18, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) A deity that is the focus of certain linguistic conventions.
 * 2) A deity that is often referred to by masculine pronouns, not necessarily inferring that the speaker believes that God is male.
 * 3) A deity that is referred to by pronouns that begin with a capital letter, as a sign of respect, in many languages written in Latin script. In English, these would include He, Him, His and Himself.
 * But, the individual entities of that order depend upon God and His laws for their existence.
 * But, the individual entities of that order depend upon God and His laws for their existence.
 * Yikes. Delete. < class="latinx" >Ƿidsiþ 18:48, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. (I don't think any of the subsenses in that entry should be there.) --Yair rand 18:50, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Move to usage notes. --Daniel 18:52, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Strongly agree with all of you, not a definition, not even close. Mglovesfun (talk) 23:46, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Deleted per, at least, the early consensus. The linguistic facts were moved to an "Usage notes" section of the same entry. --Daniel 17:38, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

RFV discussion: April 2016
Rfv-sense "The single male deity of various bitheistic or duotheistic religions." as a proper noun in English. --WikiTiki89 12:40, 14 April 2016 (UTC)


 * I've added three quotations which I believe support this sense. —Mr. Granger (talk • contribs) 17:00, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks! That's enough for me. --WikiTiki89 17:18, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Translations
Not sure where to park these, since no real idea what was intended by the idea of "God" meaning "an impersonal universal spiritual presence" in a sense distinct from "monotheistic supreme god".


 * Aramaic:
 * Hebrew: אלהא
 * Syriac: ܐܠܗܐ
 * Armenian:
 * Catalan:
 * Chinese:
 * Mandarin:
 * Czech:
 * Danish:
 * Dutch:
 * Esperanto: Dio
 * Finnish: ,
 * Galician:
 * German:
 * Greek:
 * Hungarian:
 * Italian:


 * Lao: ພະເຈົ້າ
 * Latvian: Dievs
 * Lithuanian:
 * Macedonian: бог
 * Manchu: ᠠᠪᡴᠠᡳ ᡝᠵᡝᠨ
 * Polish:
 * Portuguese:
 * Quechua:, wak'a
 * Romanian: ,
 * Russian:
 * Scottish Gaelic: Dia
 * Serbo-Croatian:
 * Swahili: Mungu
 * Tagalog:
 * Turkish:, ,
 * Zazaki: Car, Homa, Alla

The translations that I can understand (Chinese, Dutch, German, Greek, Italian, &c) have nothing whatsoever to do with that and simply describe a monotheistic or (in the Chinese case and variations of ) at least single supreme henotheistic deity. If any of these translations deserve placement somewhere appropriate (god? Nature?), kindly do move them there. — LlywelynII  13:54, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Citations need cleanup
There are dozens of needless subdivisions of senses left on the citations page that should be cleaned up when someone watching the page has the time. — LlywelynII  12:06, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

God forgive me
A phrase commonly said in conjunction with a rude or otherwise unkind or inappropriate statement: God forgive me, but Lois is just so exhausting to deal with. --Backinstadiums (talk) 15:42, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Item 1 is empty?
It is strange, but if I am not logged in, the fist item is empty, and there are three items (1., 2., and 3.). If I am logged in, there are only two items. How so?



RFC discussion: August 2023
Messy. This, that and the other (talk) 12:49, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I've removed the Borgesian subsection maze, which seemed to just be confusing predication with definition, sorted the quotations properly and found better sources for some of them which were misdated. Since all but a couple are talking about the Christian God I'm not really sure they contribute much to illustrating different nuances, but there's no size limit on citations pages afaik. —Al-Muqanna المقنع (talk) 17:52, 12 August 2023 (UTC)