Talk:Graecicize

RFV discussion: June–November 2015
I searched Google Books and Google Groups for this and the (also-deleted) alternative spelling Grecicize, got one hit for Grecicize (with the same wording repeated in a couple of others), one for graecicize, and nothing else- so I deleted both as unattested. The creator of both posted an objection on my talk page, with the two cites mentioned and a third, for grecicize that I missed because it's on a non-durably-archived web page, but the web page says it's an excerpt from a book- so it should count.

Though I still think this doesn't meet the requirements of CFI, it's close enough to be worth going through rfv rather than speedy deletion- so I restored both and am posting here (especially since they were added in good faith).

The main problem is that the lemma spelling is still unattested, the alternative form has one cite, and the other two cites are for two different other spellings: all near-misses.

There's also the matter of the lemma having four senses, of which the first two aren't represented in the cites at all.

Here are the cites provided on my talk page:
 * 1) Grecicize
 * 2) "Graecicise" (double-quotes from the original)
 * 3) 'grecicize' (single quotes from the original)

I should also mention that we have an entry at grecize that covers the same range of definitions. Chuck Entz (talk) 03:33, 15 June 2015 (UTC)


 * |%22graecicizes%22|%22graecicizing%22|%22graecicized%22&oq=%22Graecicize%22|%22graecicizes%22|%22graecicizing%22|%22graecicized%22&gs_l=serp.3...23936.24290.0.26014.2.2.0.0.0.0.296.521.2-2.2.0.ekpsrh...0...1..64.serp..2.0.0.O0tpIQVv3k0 This search, from US, finds 90 citations (raw count, actual about 50, usable lower yet) at Google Books. I haven't done any formatting or matching with definitions. DCDuring TALK 03:39, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Confirmed getting a similar number of hits on gbooks from the UK. Scholar also has one hit for Grecicize in the  Journal of the Central Asian Society from 1917. Spinning Spark  10:49, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
 * There are more on Scholar using |%22graecicizes%22|%22graecicizing%22|%22graecicized%22&btnG=&as_sdt=1%2C5&as_sdtp= DCDuring's search terms. Spinning Spark  11:03, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I have created an entry for graecization.
 * As to the challenged definitions in the capitalized spelling only one is attestable so far.
 * For the state of attestation by spelling and capitalization see Citations:Graecicize. DCDuring TALK 18:33, 17 June 2015 (UTC)


 * As noted above, only one sense was thrice-attested. (Another was twice-attested.) The two uncited senses fail RFV entirely. This word as a whole is just a rare synonym of Grecize, so I've just relabelled it was such. Is this RFV now resolved? - -sche (discuss) 08:14, 19 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Sense 1 had three citations under the original form, and should not have been deleted. But for that matter, there's the problem of the word having two very slight spelling variations and two capitalizations, all of which are used interchangeably in the literature.  There are dozens of attestations for the word, but they're scattered amongst three senses under Graecicize, graecicize, Grecicize, and grecicize, which fact is being used to delete them individually, rather than combine them under a single form with redirects for the others, which was the original intention.  There are plenty of attestations for three of the original four senses, but because they're split between what Wiktionary considers four spellings, we're basically randomizing the meanings between these forms, which makes no sense.  P Aculeius (talk) 13:41, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Since Grecize is attested (and more common) in all of the senses, I thought that representing all of the senses in the after  was a good way of noting them. If you prefer that the gloss mention only the one fully-attested sense, that's fine. Note however that citations cannot count for more than one sense (unless they use a word multiple times with different senses each time, which is not the case here), as was being done [//en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Graecicize&oldid=35469058 here], so [//en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Graecicize&diff=next&oldid=35469058 the second sense must be removed] in that case. - -sche (discuss) 20:33, 19 November 2015 (UTC)