Talk:I need a city map

I need a city map
This gets just 12 Google Books hits, and three of them are from the same book (Angels and Demons by Dan Brown). Mglovesfun (talk) 19:37, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete (along with all similar rubbish) SemperBlotto (talk) 07:02, 6 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I need a map: would be a rather more sensible phrasebook entry. Equinox ◑ 07:11, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree. --Yair rand (talk) 09:55, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * moved -- Liliana • 12:09, 6 June 2013 (UTC) Nope, I need a map failed RFD, we can't move it there. In this case, delete. -- Liliana • 12:10, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I thought, that in Phrasebook/Travel one can add all sentences, which one needs in a journey to solve problems. Maybe this was a mistake?! What sentences is Phrasebook/Travel for? I'm new and really don't know this. --Allexkoch (talk) 08:59, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
 * We don't really have criteria for a phrasebook, apparently because no one finds the effort of drafting and getting agreement for it worthwhile, especially given some uncertainty about whether a phrasebook belongs here. Wiktionary is at least the most sensible incubator for a phrasebook and may be the best permanent home in the Mediawiki empire.
 * I personally think that the core sentence "I need a map" might be best, with some further Usage notes about how the English term is modified for politeness and greater specificity. "Excuse me. Where could I find a bus map of the city?" might be one useful end product for a user of a phrasebook, but it is obviously cumbersome as a entry itself. I don't know how to help a user who needs such a sentence get to I need a map and then produce the specific polite sentence needed. Maybe removing the politeness requirement helps. Interaction with strangers might begin with "(Excuse me. [if interrupting]) Could you help me?" That framing allows many following statements that would otherwise be too direct.
 * Without some kind of framework, I don't see how a user-useful phrasebook can be constructed. DCDuring TALK 13:20, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi DCDuring, thank you so much for your answer, I didn't expect to get one. (Please excuse my bad english, I'm german.) My aproach to the phrasebook/Travel is totally different (from yours and the others). I travel a lot through the world and I try to know the most important and useful words of the language of the country where I am by heart. So all this "excuse me bla bla bla ..." and "if interupting bla bla bla ... " is totally out of frame for me. If I am in a country like Hungaria or China I have to concentrate of a minimum of useful words, which will my partner hopefully understand. If my partner speaks english, then there is no problem, but if not!!!
 * For me, my purposes and my opinion this phrasebook/travel is a wonderful thing!!! One can get the most important sentences online!!! And I think, it should contain all these short (minmal short!!!) sentences one need abroad. You (and all this english speaking people here) should consider, that "I need a map" and "I need a city map" are very similar sentences in english but f.i. in German map is "Landkarte" and city map is "Stadtplan" or in french map is "carte geographique" and city map is "plan de ville" there is no similarity at all there and you will get two very different things if you use the false word.
 * So, I hope, this phrasebook/travel will continue to be - with minimal-word-sentences not concerned of good english, but of memorizable(!) words in all these other languages. And that it will not fail for this language purists, who I also honor with respect to the use of there own language. But if you are abroad you will be lucky to be understood by the people there with few words.
 * I think, phrasebook/travel should be not so much concerned with english but with internationalism. I anyway don't understand, why there are so many wiktionaries. I think one wiktionary is enough from every language to every language - like now the english wiktionary. All the other wiktionaries are - in my opinion - lost energy. I really hope for your and the others understanding - english is not the only language in the world! greetings --Allexkoch (talk) 19:28, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The fact that some language like French and German distinguish between "city map" and "country map" doesn't mean we have to have separate entries. We could still have a single I need a map page and then in the translations write "German: ich brauche einen Stadtplan ; ich brauche eine Landkarte ". —Angr 20:10, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * To Allexkoch: The English Wiktionary is usable by readers understanding English, the German Wiktionary by readers understanding German, etc. Yes, all wiktionaries are needed. About the phrase, I understand your concern, but the solution would be topical pages (e.g. Finding one's way), not this kind of page. Lmaltier (talk) 21:40, 13 June 2013 (UTC)


 * The voters in Talk:I need a map have decided that "I need ..." entries should be deleted. People wanting to delete these kind of entries in Talk:I need a map include Thrissel, Hekaheka, SemperBlotto, Mglovesfun, DCDuring, WikiTiki89, Equinox, CodeCat, Maro and possibly Liliana. This entry has mere 8 hits in Google books, which excludes it per one of the few objectives heuristic criteria that we had for phrasebook entries, that of number of hits. WT:PB mentiones three criteria for phrasebook entries: usefulness, simplicity and commonness. This entry does not meet the commonness criterion. --Dan Polansky (talk) 19:59, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

And it's gone. DAVilla 16:39, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Striken out. --Dan Polansky (talk) 16:39, 1 February 2014 (UTC)