Talk:Islamocracy

Let's be clear here, any term ending with 'ocracy' could refer to anything from Platonic aristocracy/meritocracy, democracy, timocracy, plutocracy, to autocracy, such as theocracy, etc., but the etymology makes it a subset of theocracy. The countries with the largest Muslim majorities--Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc., are theocracies, and mostly/full autocracy. So, it doesn't matter what the person who thought of the term prefers; it doesn't reflect reality/etymology, political science, and how people actually use the term. It's just like when USSR or fascist/Nazi autocrats were claiming they were democratic, but that's not the main principle in the term 'autocracy' so they can't just change it. When the original prefix was removed, the term became ambiguous and implying any of the other terms, which some are in existence in this case.--206.63.237.146 23:59, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
 * It could mean a lot of things, but our job is to document what it does mean when it's used. Also, it's not a dictionary's job to determine whether those who use a term are telling the truth. If you try to, you run into sentences like "there's no such thing as Islamocracy", which wouldn't make sense if you neutered the definition the way you're attempting. By your logic, we'd have to get rid of the entry for unicorn, because they don't exist. They may not exist, but people talk about them, so we document that. When a dictatorship calls itself a democracy, they may be lying through their teeth, but that doesn't change what the word "democracy" itself means. Chuck Entz (talk) 03:37, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 * In addition to what Chuck Entz said, another problem with your changes of the definition is that the resulting meaning didn't correspond to any attestations of this term, which is the only thing that should matter. Wiktionary is a descriptive dictionary and contributors should always aim to describe words. If you want to prescribe your own political agenda regarding Islam, then go to another editable dictionary site or start your own. ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  07:46, 28 May 2019 (UTC)


 * The term has earlier usage than cited source's reference on Wikipedia, as a system different than democracy (i.e., theocracy, https://www.islamicity.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=14887&title=the-battle-democracy-vs-islamocracy ) and 'pseudo-democracy' (http://www.oocities.org/wereerew2000/brunei.htm, which I don't know who wrote it but it has an abstract,) so please reconsider/realize that 'ocracy' doesn't refer to 'democracy,' rather than vice versa among many 'ocracies' that are applicable, and that the citation of who coined the term may be too new, and it may not be known who did.--206.63.237.146 04:42, 16 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Some more examples: Saudia Arabia is an Islamic autocracy (has an autocrat/monarch, a monarchy,) or Islamo-autocracy (etymologically, a type of Islamocracy.) ISIL was one with a militarist style which likely fits under Islamic timocracy (described militaristic by Plato, like feudalism) or Islamo-timocracy (etymologically, a type of Islamocracy.)  Others might not be so monarchic but still have a controlling rich class (plutocracy.)  It's not that there's some agenda or that it's disputed that Islamic democracy, Islamo-democracy, doesn't exist (such as Turkey and an increasing number of nations have political parties,) just recognizing 'ocracy' isn't only 'democracy.'--206.63.237.146 05:12, 16 June 2019 (UTC)