Talk:Kawenaʻulaokalaniahiʻiakaikapoliopelekawahineʻaihonuaināleilehuaapele

RFD discussion: September–October 2021

 * I knew something was wrong with the spelling of this given-name entry, but I wasn't sure how to fix it. I initially posted it at RFM to get ideas about what would be the best spelling to move it to. The consensus so far, however was that we shouldn't have entries for names like this: whole sentences describing the bearer and unique to that individual. I have therefore moved it here. I'll mention that the person with this name was a very remarkable individual who made monumental contributions to the preservation of Hawaiian language and culture, but that has no bearing on whether we should have a dictionary entry for her name. Pinging again. Chuck Entz (talk) 04:04, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

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Leaving aside the merits of having an entry for a given name that seems to be unique, and is no doubt more of a description than a name as we would understand it, I'm not convinced that this is all one name. follows several sources (for instance this) in omitting the before the "naleilehuaapele" part. I would also note that almost all the translations for the name given in the sources don't include anything after "honua", e.g. "The red glow of the heavens of Hiʻiaka in the bosom of Pele, the earth eating woman" (the remaining part would mean something like "[wearing] the lehua leis of Pele"). The "i" certainly makes sense, grammatically, so it might have been inserted by someone to make a better Hawaiian sentence out of it.

Of course, it looks like pretty much all the sources that didn't copy from us have at least some variation in form/spacing or spelling, so it's tricky. Pinging. Chuck Entz (talk) 21:51, 5 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Rather that this is a descriptive sentence, and rather that primary sources apparently wrote this with hyphens between each word, and rather that this is only ever used as a name for one person, this seems like a very poor candidate for a Wiktionary entry.
 * I'm leaning more towards delete as not dictionary material, combined with SOP-ness, combined with not actually used in this form in primary materials. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 02:59, 7 September 2021 (UTC).


 * It seems unlikely that Pele would be mentioned twice inside one given name. Nāleilehuaapele might have been Kawena Pukui's original name, it was changed in babyhood, and somebody might have combined the two names with an i. But whatever the construction, I would strongly vote for deletion of this entry, for the reasons mentioned by Eirikr. I have a list of hundreds of unique Hawaiian names that I would never enter in this dictionary. --Makaokalani (talk) 19:48, 8 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete--4SnavaA (talk) 08:19, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete for the reasons given above. PseudoSkull (talk) 02:32, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Hawaiian is not considered to be a well-documented language by us— hence any word is a legitimate entry. ·~   dictátor · mundꟾ  21:26, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Was the name given to any other individual than ? If it is a uniquely bestowed moniker, it is IMO not lexical. --Lambiam 15:04, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. No one but Kawena Pukui bore this full name. There are many Kawenas named after her,--Makaokalani (talk) 15:52, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete – not lexical (per Makaokalani). --Lambiam 13:44, 16 September 2021 (UTC)


 * RFD-deleted. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 01:30, 18 October 2021 (UTC)