Talk:Last Prophet

RFD discussion: August–September 2016
Isn't this just a SOP description of Muhammad as (according to Muslim belief) the last prophet? In addition to being described as the last prophet (or with honorific caps, the Last Prophet) he is also described as the final prophet / Final Prophet, the ultimate prophet, "the last and final Prophet", etc. I can also find him and other religious figures referred to by many other SOP descriptors, e.g. "[the] Holy One". - -sche (discuss) 21:09, 21 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Hmm. Do Jews use this phrase, capitalized, for Malachi? Do Christians use it for Jesus or John the Apostle? If so, then I think it should probably be deleted. If not, then it might have some claim to idiomaticity because it only applies to the Muslim last prophet. —Mr. Granger (talk • contribs) 21:42, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * The idea of one last prophet who will be followed by no other is peculiar to Islam. That doesn't mean it can't be SOP. I can come up with lots of snippets from Christian religious texts that would be unambiguous references to any Christian but meaningless to anyone unfamiliar with Christianity: "the baby in the manger", "the man who walked on water", "the man who turned water into wine". Of course, that doesn't rule out idiomaticity, either- it just means you can't use it as a shortcut to avoid all the regular tests. Chuck Entz (talk) 00:31, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * @User:Chuck Entz Some branches of Christianity refer to Jesus as "the last prophet". Not that I'm any religion at all, but I've been dragged to several different churches in my life, and I know I've heard this used before in the Christian sense. Still SOP, not to mention that it is Islamocentric, and doesn't abide by our guidelines of general neutrality, so even if it were to stay, it needs a better definition. Delete. Philmonte101 (talk) 20:34, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't see any POV problem. The context is labeled as "Islam", so we know it's not in general use with that definition. Simply describing usage isn't POV: it's only when we get into slanting that description one way or the other, or when we give usage pertaining to one view of a religion disproportionately more or less coverage that we get into trouble.
 * Notice I said "disproportionately". Simply treating all religions exactly the same gives undue weight to minor religions that the vast majority of English speakers have never heard of, let alone talked about, or even to major religions such as Islam that most English speakers are ignorant about. Historically, most English speakers have been Christians, so there's more usage of terms typical of Christianity- to be neutral, we have to reflect that when describing usage. This is something Pass a Method just couldn't comprehend: making up terms to fill in gaps in usage isn't being even-handed- it's fraud perpetrated to advance an agenda.
 * That's not to say we shouldn't cover what usage there is by adherents of all religions- just not disproportionately. Chuck Entz (talk) 02:28, 24 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete per our deletion discussion archived at Talk:Author of Eternal Salvation. bd2412 T 21:54, 3 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete. --WikiTiki89 15:10, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Deleted. bd2412 T 19:10, 29 September 2016 (UTC)