Talk:MAGA chud

RFD discussion: November 2018–April 2019
NISoP: MAGA + chud.

DCDuring (talk) 16:14, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Then you should probably add the relevant sense to chud. DTLHS (talk) 16:18, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep unless such a sense is added and attested. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 22:08, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per jiffy. If is citable as a hot word in any one sense, it is derivative of MAGA chud. But the meanings seem all over the place, from just a short for MAGA chud to "rube" to something like "troll" to "ugly person" (given by UD), depending on whatever stereotype a writer wants to use. ←₰-→  Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  09:06, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
 * How could anyone possibly sincerely believe that IRW chud is derived from MAGA chud? I thought that our horde of contemporary slang collectors would not have failed to surpass Urban Dictionary, which has chud in its current cloudy, but clearly abusive sense as well as its etymology. I personally do not feel at all competent to add the missing contemporary sense. Nevertheless, though in WiktWorld wikt-lawyering may provide a tortured rationale for inclusion, the challenged term remains in reality SoP. DCDuring (talk) 17:22, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
 * My bad, now dial down the hyperbole. Anyway, the sense is obscure enough to be absent from several recent dictionaries of slang. I have added an adjective and noun sense. Check whether you agree with the definition. ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  10:11, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Pinging you because you indicated that you might vote differently when there is a sense that could make "MAGA chud" SOP. ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  10:11, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Also pinging you because of the noun definition at . ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  10:16, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Interestingly CHUD/C.H.U.D. might not meet CFI because of WT:FICTION. Sad that only the poisonous political atmosphere has provided sufficient motivation to make this use of chud in this sense attestable. DCDuring (talk) 12:54, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Now that I see how is defined... I'm not sure. There's still a slight jump between "Make America Great Again" + "disgusting person" to "[pejorative for] Trump supporter". It's definitely a set phrase, but does it go beyond that to reach some level of idiomaticity? To pose a couple concrete questions, is there a range of words that could be substituted for "chud" in this phrase that would be similarly easily attested? And should  have another sense that refers to Trump in particular, rather than his political movement? —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 18:49, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * This really needs cites before we start drawing conclusions about equivalents. DTLHS (talk) 18:56, 15 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Like DCDuring, I will be very surprised if the slur (broadly 'gross/unliked person') sense of "chud" originated in, let alone is specific to, this phrase. (If necessary, move to RFV and then re-open / open a new RFD if evidence refutes a 'jiffy' argument.) I also don't think slurring people who support Trump['s movement to "MAGA"] by referring to their support for that movement is idiomatic, either in this phrase or in a phrase like "MAGA idiots", which is also a set/common collocation. There must be more examples of partisans for one side or another being referred to by a notable phrase, movement, etc they're associated with. I think this collocation only seems idiomat-ish because "chud" is not that common of an insult. - -sche (discuss) 22:14, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
 * But that depends on a figurative interpretation of that isn't in the entry yet and that I doubt is citable even on Usenet. Even the Usenet cites lean more toward "hideous person" rather than "non-hideous person causing disgust". The closest I get to a figurative sense is an exception like this that is an obvious short for MAGA chud. ←₰-→  Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  14:16, 29 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete, SOP, implying that who supports MAGA is a chud. Fay Freak (talk) 11:59, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete as SOP. I looked for MAGA redneck and found examples, and there are prob. a host of other similar collocations of MAGA. chud seems to have a life of its own as a noun. - Sonofcawdrey (talk) 19:23, 29 November 2018 (UTC)


 * I count 3 in favour of deletion (DCD, Fay, Sonofcawdrey) and 1 in favour of keeping (LBD); my vote does not count due to my condition being satisfied. As a result, RFD failed. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 22:50, 14 April 2019 (UTC)