Talk:MILF

This article needs to be expanded
It is now more than a mere definition and should be expanded from a simple definition into something more substantial including noted references and some of the information relayed below

Well, in my humble opinion, I believe that MILF stands for "Mother I Love Father" thank you.

But you would probably be wrong. MILF stands for "Moro Islamic Liberation Front" (MILF) which has been around much longer than the internet or American Pie.

That's great, but it's likely something made up by a parent to shelter their child from what it actually stands for.

MILF
In its proper use, MILF refers to a woman that is old enough to be the speaker's mother. The term originated with pubescent males commenting on the sexual desirability of each other's mother. Hence, these males were referring to women who were generally old enough to be their own mothers. Accordingly, a man age 30, cannot properly refer to a 35 year-old mother as a MILF. The term was originally coined specifically to describe significantly older women who are sexually attractive; for instance, a 22 year old mother does not meet all of the criteria for MILFness because she is not old enough to be the parent of a sexually interested speaker or his peers. Unfortunately, over the years it has been widely misused to describe any woman who has given birth and is still sexually attractive. This misuse robs the term of its critical and inherent original distinction as referring to the tittilatingly taboo act of sex between a young man and a much older woman. it was used in the 50's by us fighter pilots in the far east and stood for: mother; i like fucking!
 * What nonsense - God forbid someone would besmirch the the term "MILF" . It's "critical and inherent original distinction"? You mean a young man slobbering over how much he wants to have sex with an older women - That distinction?
 * You're trying to discredit him by implying this subject is too silly or obvious to deserve full analysis? 72.208.6.122 08:42, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

As master of the English Language I take offense when the term MILF is not used in it's proper context. So let's get the definition down, right here right now. MILF is an Acronym that stands for a Mother I'd Like to Fuck. To qualify for MILF status a woman must be old enough to have children who are either sexually active or trying to be sexually active. A mother in her 20s does not qualify for MILF status. For a woman in her 20s to qualify as a MILF she has to have given birth in her early teens. A mother with only daughters does not qualify for MILF status until her daughters begin dating and bringing boys by the home. A mother with sons qualifies for MILF status much earlier than a woman with only daughters. Do I need to explain why? The concept of MILF predates the term; Oedipus' mother, Jocasta, was a MILF that he fucked himself. In the recent past MILF's were referred to as Cradle Robbers, Mrs. Robinsons, Yummy Mummys, and most recently Cougars. A serious relationship with a MILF is referred to as a May-December romance.

So let's get it right!


 * It has nothing to do with the age of her children - it's her own age as well as her attractiveness that count. Jim Michael (talk) 18:57, 15 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Nonsense.   Any lady with kids qualifies for MILF status (as long as the lady is over 18 of course). 173.241.188.47 06:44, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

MILF WATCH
There should be a section of fictional female characters who are deemed MILFs for example Sue Richards from the fantastic four comics (in the comics she has two kids so it warrants), stifler's mom from the American Pie movies or Mantra from the malibu comics. this is bollox - it was used in the 50's by us fighter pilots in the far east and stood for: mother; i like fucking!
 * No, there should not. This is a dictionary, not an encyclopedia. Cheers! bd2412 T 02:09, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Mom vs. Mother
Is my recollection of this line in this movie wrong, or are there different versions of the movie out there (i.e. a British version with Mother dubbed over Mom?) --Connel MacKenzie 06:53, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Think "Stiffler's mother"


 * [From imdb.com]

[while looking at a picture of Stifler's mom]

MILF Guy #2: Dude that chick's a MILF!

MILF Guy #1: What to hell is that?

MILF Guy #2: M-I-L-F Mom I'd Like to Fuck!

MILF Guy #1: Yeah dude! Yeah!

I vote to change it to mom. It's how I've always heard it. --SeizureDog 19:51, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Where did the term first come from if it wasn't from this movie? does anyone know?


 * UPDATE - This acronym actually has earlier known usage, although the orginator of the term is unknown to this author. My friends and I started using the term regularly in Madison, WI, no later than 1993, after having been introduced to the term that year by a North Carolina teenager relative, so the origin as the southeast would be supported, but no later than 1993.

This acronym was first coined in 1996 and was used as a "Mom I'd Like to Fuck". This occurred in a Southeastern United States Beach and Water Park where the staff, which I was one of, used many code words to have conversations within hearing distance of the patrons without giving away the true meaning of the conversation. The name of the man responsible for coining the acronym and phrase is Jeff Jager (Yae-ger). I can attest to this with first hand knowledge of his coining of the phrase without any prior knowledge of any earlier uses of the acronym.
 * Thank you for this information, but I think it's still not verifiable enough to put on the article page. When I did a quick search for Jeff Jager in Yahoo People Search it gave me at least 14 distinct people including 2 in TX, and one each in GA and NC.  It would certainly not be appropriate to attribute such a term to the wrong person, and even the correct person may not be pleased to have this come back to him.  I don't, however, mind mentioning the name of the Park if you provide that name.  Eclecticology 22:01, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, I knew someone in college who used this term back in 1990. I think he was from Long Island and it was part of the lexicon him and his friends used.

The Jeff I am referring to is in Georgia and I did consult him before posting his name. The resort is Lake Lanier Islands Beach and Waterpark. If you would like to contact me for further questions, post it here.


 * From Googling, I find that this person is a teacher in a smaller Georgia town. Being associated with this kind of story can potentialy have an effect on a teacher's employment in the Christian South.  That makes me loath to use his name in this.  Eclecticology 21:13, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Without debating further your statement has nothing to do with our topic of the origin of the acronym MILF. Loathing it or not you now have the correct information. Thanks for the discussion.


 * Being loath and to loathe are two completely different ideas. Eclecticology 00:25, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Uh, I have found a |Usenet reference to MILF from 1995, so this can't be right. And the first reference was to "Mothers".philbog

My first exposure to the term "MILF" dates back to 1990 when I was a high school freshman in Massachusetts. Because of this I'd have to question the claim that the phrase was coined in 1996 at a water park. Perhaps this fellow never heard the term before he used it, but it was definitely in existence before he used it. I remember this clearly because there were two sects of guys at my school; One who used MILF and the other preferred "Yummy Mummy".


 * The nice thing about the movie citation is that it is (well, the transcript, at least) the first published evidence of the term. He said/she said doesn't meet any criteria for attestation, nor do fly-by-night websites.  The folk etymologies are nice in and of themselves, but really don't add anything helpful or meaningful to the entry, in my opinion.  --Connel MacKenzie 18:27, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not purporting to know the origin but had to put my 2 cents in after reading the above which stated that it was coined in 1996. I recall hearing my male friends use this term when I was in 4th grade, so back in 1984.


 * It was in frequent use in Massachusetts in the early and mid-1980s.

The origin of the acronym "MILF" was first coined as "Mother I'd Like to Fuck" it comes from Post Falls, Idaho. How do I know? I am embarrassed to say it but I made it up with a friend of sitting on a lifeguard stand in the summer of 1994. The entry stating the term was used in 1984 is inaccurate it did not exist then. I apologize if I have offended anyone I never thought it would catch on. The acronym was spread around by lifeguards. Two guards from my beach moved away, one to California, the other to Indiana. I can only assume this is the reason why so many have heard about the acronym on both coasts of the USA in so close a time period. I can verify all that I have written and so will my friend who was with me on the stand that day.

Actually... I'll disagree with the above. I was introduced to the term in 1988 by a college roommate from Chicago, IL. It was used often after that in the town of Rochester, NY.

Friends and I were using this term in the very early 1990s at the University of Illinois - Urbana, Champaign. We even expanded on it to MILFUTA (pronounced "Mill-fuh-ta") meaning "Mother I'd Like To Fuck Up The Ass". We reserved this term for moms that were so hot, they were hotter than just regular MILFs.

I have to second whoever said it goes as far back as the mid-80s. As a teen in Sacramento during said era one of my friends introduced me to it. I don't know where he first heard it. Maybe from his older half-brother from Wisconsin. Not sure.

i've been meaning to get on a site for a while & see what folks knew about the derivation of this term, because for many years (since it popped into mainstream use in american pie) i've been telling friends that i've known of the phrase since the fall of '78 or spring of '79. i went to a private high school in fairfield, ct & i can take you to the spot on one of the playing fields where a half dozen of us were in conversation during a break in lacrosse practice where i heard it for the first time. there were a handful of guys on the team from ridgefield, ct & two of them were present for this particular conversation. one of them dropped the phrase which caused the rest of us to have a "huh? what did you just say??" moment & the two ridgefield fellas explained (much to our delight) what it stood for and noted it was part of the young male vernacular in the hills of ridgefield. for the record, their use was "mother i'd like to f**k" (not mom). i remember the moment clear as day, have personally used the phrase since that time & hope to catch up to them some day to confirm my recollection. out of respect to them i won't state their names, and i will add they made no specific claim of having coined the phrase -- only that it was in circulation among their friends in ridgefield at the time. if you had to pick a town likely to have inspired such a phrase, ridgefield, ct in the late 70's would be high on the list of likely candidates. ;-)

I may or may not have a credited reliable source of were the word MILF actually took off and hit the main stream, as I am sure the term mothers I'd like to F. has been said many a time thruout the course of history... I can tell you that the abbreviation of the word started with a friend of mine after repeating the words so often from pointing out multiple older women (whom most we knew as some of our friends mothers) at mountainbrooke countryclub in birmingham. Instead of repeatedly pointing out the women on the tennis court and making the comment "there's a mother I would F." or "I'd like to F. her, isn't that blanks mom. Yeah she's hot" my friend came up with the abb. and from then on out we didn't have to lower our voices and could openly say aloud whom it was we thought was attractive enough to, well you know... We were teenagers and thought it was really cool we could shout it and no one knew what we were talking about. Now all this took place in 88 and I know what your thinking, sure it may have been around much longer than that and probably was used a time or two before,and if it had, us sothern boys had never heard it, but I think this is were it may have gone viral.. My friend and I were not only dead head followers but did quite a bit of traveling (epecially my frienc being his parents were wealthy)and he attended several colleges (by the way he is now an english proffessor and would probably kill me if he knew I was writing this) around the country and also had 3 other brothers who all attended diffrent schools. Everytime I would visit we would use the term loosely around all of our multy cultured freinds. Remember we were following the dead and thats a vast array of cultures all rolled up as one.. We wore the word out for about 3 or 4 years and as we got older never really gave it much thought until the word was used in the movie Am. Pie.. Whats funny if we would have realized then the vast power of networking maybe we would have come up with something profitable.... who knows, that's just our story beleive it or not.... I'm sure we will hear a hundred more versions before it over with.. and look forward to reading them.......

Female use of MILF
Why would a woman describe herself as MILF? Is there possibly another meaning or is she saying she's still fuckworthy to younger men even though she's past the nubile phase?
 * Yes, I too have heard 35 to 45 year old women call themselves a MILF. It's a yep-I-still-got-it boast, typically tongue-in-cheek or mock-serious.
 * I worked with a girl (She was about 18) who said when she was older, she wanted to be a MILF. She could pull it off, though.

Racial definition
A pretty African-American mother may be considered as a "chocolate MILF"..

Merci pour la traduction!... ;-)
Frenchman, (so my english come from school), I was reading that word on lot of websites and not understanding what it was exactly (only was about a category of girls and perhaps an acronym...). Wikipedia is the only place I found an explanation!... I was not thinking was related to "mother"... perhaps because in our latin countries, we have more respect to our mothers than USA... ;-)

That's rather offencive to an American's ears. It's (arguablely)not that we have less 'respect', it's that we still consider older citzens the same kind of people as the younger. A person can be considered sexually active and yet a proper mother in the US, even if they have left their spouse for a younger man.

Various MILF Initialisms
MILF--"Mothers Intelligently Loquacious and Famous" as used by Tulsa Indy Gazetter

MILF--"Much Intelligently Loquacious Females" as used by Pimp This Town

MILF--"Minimum International Legal Framework"
 * Thanks for noting these. Unfortunately these don't meet our criteria for inclusion so they shouldn't be added to the main entry at this time.  --Connel MacKenzie T C 16:04, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Acronym vs. Initialism?
Why are MILF (Mom I'd Like to Fuck) and MILF (Moro Islamic Liberation Front) under separate headings? They're both acronyms are they not? Or is there any support for the contention that the latter is actually pronounced as a spelled-out M-I-L-F? bd2412 T 15:04, 26 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I can understand classifying it as an abbreviation, but without a Filipino asserting here that it is an acronym, I'd doubt calling it one is correct. Confer IRA, or MNLF.  Since MILF came from MNLF originally, I'd think it would be very hard to assert the acronym retroactively.  --Connel MacKenzie 02:55, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It's just my experience that initialisms spelled like words susceptible to a regular pronunciation quickly become acronyms. I recall a Daily Show piece where Jon Stewart discussed the "MILF" (this definition of it) and pronounced it as an acronym, but that may have just been for comedic effect. bd2412 T 03:06, 4 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm a Filipino. Regarding the Moro Islamic Liberation Front, yes, I do feel that's correct, that they're just initials, not an acronym. Yes, here in the Philippines we always spell it out, we don't say it like it's a word.92ESi (talk) 18:40, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

The word "putative"
Putative = ''Commonly believed to be true on inconclusive grounds. '' This suggests that the moniker MILF is a group decision, something debatable and perhaps false. When the (male) speaker calls a female a MILF, he needs no further validation, verification or empirical evidence, right? It's his internal observation and desire, irrespective of what the MILF thinks, does or says. By defintion, if you're termed a MILF, you are a MILF. Of course, the MILF can reject advances or be offended by the term, but that's irrelevent to the definition. I vote we remove (putative). --Robertkeller 23:48, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I think "putative" refers to the status of motherhood here - the speaker is presuming that the female is in fact a mother, when she may be older but childless. By the way, I've switched the "vulgar" tag for "slang"; I've done some research on this which indicates that the word is used during daytime radio broadcasts, and the FCC has not found it to be either a profanity nor an indecent term. bd2412 T 17:21, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

anyway, if you don't remove it, please wikify. thx. Torzsmokus 07:34, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Definitely older than American Pie
This term was definitely in widespread use on the Internet prior to 1999. I was using this term as a witty way to impress my equally nerdy friends as far back as late 1996, when I first started using the Internet. Needless to say, the Internet was where I picked up the term in the first place. Maybe someone out there can dig through some old backups of their downloaded porn from those days and provide a verifiable source...


 * In reference to the above paragraph, I can also verify that it was in use online in the early 90's. The first time I saw it was on Fidonet in 1994, in reference to porn.

This is the most viewed page on here
apart from the main page. 68.239.144.233 23:11, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Consult a lexicographer
Anyone who wants to do so can contact the Language Reference Service at Merriam-Webster www.m-w.com and ask them for the history of the word. They use only written citations, many of them from Lexis-Nexis. That's as close to definitive as you are likely to get.

Reword it?
Recommend "[a] mother I'd like to fuck" to make it clearer to those not familiar with the term's usage, since some of them (i.e., the offended lot) seem to misinterpret it as an insest-related term or something limited to a woman whose children they know socially. In fact, it is a slang term for an older woman that a younger man lusts after or finds highly attractive, despite a notable age discrepancy. A link to "cougar", in the case that this attraction is mutual and consumated, may also make some sense. 128.195.186.45 09:22, 27 September 2007 (UTC)Adieu

What moron writes this stuff?
I am TRULY offended by what I've read on this page. The subject matter is absolutely no problem. IT'S THE POOR SPELLING! IT'S THE BAD GRAMMAR! It's driving me crazy. How it is that this trash gets around spell-check I'll never know. And who thinks they're some kind of authority to be taken seriously when they clearly don't deserve a G.E.D.? You can be sure that the M.I.L.F. that this guy has the hots for can run literary circles around him in an eyelash bat. Because she graduated in a time before he was born, when a diploma indicated that there was an actual education. This is why Wiktionary gives all of Wiki-world a bad name.

At the risk of appearing crude, the true meaning of MILF is Mothers I'd Like (to) F**k. This acronym is in common use on sex contact sites. (Katiekinks)


 * We edit the entries carefully; talk pages are just a discussion; and yes, some people rant or can't spell. Robert Ullmann 09:36, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

The Author needs to be flogged
this article was defaced on April Fool's Day for obviously, Aprils Fools joke. I feel that when you run a reference website, like the wiki series, even if you're open to SOME inaccurate information there needs to be a general reference tone. By modifying a page, granted it's clever, it's just completely totally wrong. The mere fact this article was a target by a RESPECTED wiki editor is an absolute disgrace. You Mr Ullman might have a sense of humor, but you apparently have no place in up keeping sections of a wiki. This just would not be allowed in any other publication..why treat the wiki like this? Dewdude 17:27, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Dude, chill. This entry has always been a disgrace. And other very respectable publications have done much the same; the tradition originates from very staid institutions: Scientific American, the Times, the BBC, and many others. If you are just looking for someone or something to bash, fine. You've bashed.


 * So tell me: why were you looking at this entry? Huh? Robert Ullmann 17:34, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


 * April Fools' Day is not universal, your disruption of the wiki carries a cultural bias and is definitely vandalism. I don't approve of flogging, though. Wipe 17:12, 6 April 2008 (UTC)


 * First of all, I was bored. I like looking up random acronyms. While many publications have done so...I don't really consider Scientific American...the Times or the BBC a reference source..the kind of thing the really plain libarian would cite in a monotone voice. If Wiki wants to be taken as a reference source..it should act like one...and not copying the behavior of other so called respectable publications. Would AE modify THEIR contents for a joke? No.

I expect publications to have a sense of humor, I expect my reference sources to be straight-as-an-arrow boring-as-ben-stien.

Don't use "this entry is a disgrace" as an excuse for doing it. George W is a disgrace...but his article is treated with respect (most of the time). Am I doing it to bash? Yes, I'm bashing any and all vandalism to wiki. Dewdude 22:29, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

American Pie quote is wrong
The quote on the page is wrong, which is ironic considering there's an entry above that has the correct exchange. According to the wikiquote, it is: "Dude, chick's a MILF!"

24.24.211.239 19:02, 2 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Our entry does match the above from IMDB, e.g. has the word "that" in it. Robert Ullmann 14:27, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Why is this entry locked?
If it is locked, shouldn't there be an explanation of why and for how long? Barsoomian 14:14, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Because it is a continual target. There isn't any anticipation of expiring the protection, as problems will just recur. (People endlessly want to add their favorite examples, etc, etc.)


 * Presumably you want to fix the quote? Can we find an authoritative source somewhere? We do want to get it right. Robert Ullmann 14:21, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The quote we have matches IMDB (quoted above). Robert Ullmann 14:26, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


 * That explains why it was locked, not why there was no explanation. That's what I exptected to see here. Why isn't there a lock symbol as on wikipedia?


 * Because we aren't Wikipedia?


 * So just who can edit it then? Is it three days after registration, like wikipedia?


 * This particular one is sysop-only.


 * I wasn't going to change the quote. (Though IMDB is user edited and not really authoritative.) I see you've deleted FLILF, which I thought pretty whimsical. However, I think there are real citations for "GILF" (Grandmother....). (Google finds 1,280,000 hits).
 * Barsoomian 17:22, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Then create Citations:GILF and try add sufficient, then an entry at GILF and (if it survives ;-) we'll link it from here. Robert Ullmann 12:18, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

April fool
Can someone please revert this April Fool edit? Broluo 09:31, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * done. Conrad.Irwin 09:42, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Too small
What causes the phonetic indications to become (too) small after SAMPA, while they don't after IPA? I looked into the combined template IPA SAMPA, couldn't find anything (I'm not a prof) and I couldn't find either a separate template .--RobSchop 13:28, 15 April 2010 (UTC)