Talk:Nohs

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Given as the plural for, a traditional Japanese type of theater. Grammatically and conceptually, this strikes me as wrong, and a bit like trying to count or  when used to mean genres. , as I learned the word, is inherently uncountable.

Is this citable? And do the citations really mean "multiple Noh plays" (which is the only way I've ever heard used in a plural sense)? Or was this entry perhaps auto-generated, or created by someone based on the plural form given at the entry (the default if no one fills in the plural for )? -- Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 18:11, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, this plural is used, e.g. http://www.uhpress.hawaii.edu/p-6794-9781885445971.aspx Lmaltier (talk) 20:13, 13 April 2012 (UTC)


 * ...Except it isn't. If you look at the thumbnail image of the cover of the book, it says "Dramatic Representations of Filial Piety: Five Noh in Translation", without the "s".
 * In addition, the Google Books page uses the title without the "s", and searching the book for "nohs" reveals zero instances of use. -- Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 20:19, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, but it's a use of the plural, as Noh on the book, and as Nohs in the comment. This shows that the plural is used. Another use (of Nohs) : http://www1.c3-net.ne.jp/kimeikai/explanation/genji-to-heike.html Lmaltier (talk) 20:23, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The same applies to the word in French (nô): thae pages mentions inv, but it's wrong, e.g. see http://www.google.fr/search?tbm=bks&tbo=1&hl=fr&q=%22des+n%C3%B4s+japonais%22&btnG=#hl=fr&tbo=1&tbm=bks&sclient=psy-ab&q=%22+n%C3%B4s+japonais%22&oq=%22+n%C3%B4s+japonais%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=serp.12...6323l6591l1l8127l2l2l0l0l0l0l103l194l1j1l2l0.frgbld.&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=29a4376426d55fab&biw=942&bih=548 Lmaltier (talk) 20:37, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I would classify the instance of on the U of HI web page as clearly a typo, since the web page misquotes the title of the book.  Your second link is a bit more useful, but the text there is written by a non-native speaker of English, and as such seems less authoritative as a useful citation.
 * (The French links are interesting, but ultimately irrelevant to the question of the existence of an English plural.) -- Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 20:48, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I've found a few (two singular, two plural) citations supporting a sense of Noh = "an individual play in the Noh style"; Eirikr seems to be correct that this is the only sense that can be plural. - -sche (discuss) 21:09, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I think I've now cited "Nohs" as the plural of the new sense of "Noh"="a play". I've tagged that sense as countable, and the "genre" sense as uncountable. - -sche (discuss) 21:19, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Gah, one of your cites includes kyogens, which similarly makes my head hurt. Oh, well.
 * I'll edit the entry to clarify that this is only the plural for the "play" meaning and not the "genre" meaning.  -- Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 21:24, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Struck as passed. - -sche (discuss) 21:24, 7 June 2012 (UTC)