Talk:Oriental vice

RFV discussion: September–October 2023
As with the many vices above. &mdash; S URJECTION / T / C / L / 19:50, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Plenty of uses attestable in Google Books, but a lot of them seem to be used in such a context that the reader is assumed to know what they're talking about. Frustrating, yes, but perhaps that's the very sort of use that we're looking for, something that printers at the time were reluctant if not forbidden to write out explicitly. Here is one where it is linked explicitly to not just sodomy but male-male sodomy in particular.
 * There's almost certainly a second use that's more easily attestable than what we're debating: opium smoking (and here is a third use). Should I add this now as a second sense, or is this subject to deletion for not being specific enough?
 * I think, as with the English vice AFD, there are more senses besides just these two. I admit I dont' understand this use, but if it's homosexuality they've succeeded in getting their point across without naive readers having any idea what theyre talking about.  — Soap — 04:13, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Like the "English vice" etc discussion above, none of these seem like idiomatic uses: "we call it an Oriental vice", "the Oriental vice of opium smoking", "it is not an Oriental vice". This is the predication/definition distinction again: we wouldn't create an entry "American classic, 1. apple pie" because three different sources call it "an American classic". In the case of "Oriental vice. The opium dens have disappeared but Chinese gambling still runs wide open", it seems to just be meant literally. —Al-Muqanna المقنع (talk) 08:02, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Deleted by Chuck Entz, so the RFV is moot. This, that and the other (talk) 00:51, 6 October 2023 (UTC)