Talk:Otukian

Verification!?
This is a word, it's just very, very unknown. This was on the 2022 Scripps National Spelling Bee Allan Polatcan (talk) 17:21, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

RFV discussion: July 2022–February 2023
No results at or, perhaps a copyright trap or a misspelling? —Fish bowl (talk) 22:04, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * According to Otuke language, the language is spelled variously as "Otuke", "Otuque" and "Otuqui". Indeed, one can find Google Books hits for "Otukean", "Otuquean", and "Otuquian"- everything but "Otukian". Also, "of, relating to, or comprising any language family" in the definition makes no sense, and the pronunciation section uses an odd English-based notation. It's dangerously close to the "no usable content given" criterion for speedy deletion. Chuck Entz (talk) 03:59, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The most notable thing about this word is that it appeared in a spelling bee in 2022 (all the Google results are about that). It's ironic that they would use it, since this spelling doesn't even seem to be attested. 98.170.164.88 04:08, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * All I found for use was Webster's dictionary using the word "Otukian" in the definition for the word "covareca". I know we're generally against citing dictionaries, but does that apply to terms used in defining other terms? 98.170.164.88 06:44, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I'd say that's a valid use; if a dictionary defines cave widow as "a species of spider found in dark caves, active crepuscularly", it's a use and not a mention of dark, right? So "an extinct Otukian people of Paraguay" is a use, albeit we're scraping the bottom of the barrel if we have to resort to citing uses in definitions. (If it were a one- or few-word gloss, like a translation dictionary had a list "Adler: an eagle, adlig: noble, Adlubar: foobar ...", or if a word were used in defining another form of the word, like if foobarness were defined as "the quality of being foobar", that'd be a lot more borderline and I'd personally be inclined against counting either of those as a use of foobar, but this looks like a real use.) I wonder if that's why the spelling bee went with what otherwise seems like the least common spelling, because it appeared in that dictionary? But we should lemmatize a more common form if possible... - -sche (discuss) 08:50, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

RFV Failed Ioaxxere (talk) 04:21, 9 February 2023 (UTC)