Talk:Pikmin-like

RFV discussion: June–July 2021
Noun: "A game with similar real-time strategy gameplay to ." (The adjective seems SoP too.) Equinox ◑ 23:03, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

RFV-failed Kiwima (talk) 23:20, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

RFD discussion: July–August 2021
Adj. sense. SOP. -like can be added to virtually any noun to mean "like the thing mentioned (in some relevant way)". We should include these only where there is additional unexpected or unpredictable meaning, or perhaps where the meaning has conventionally become fixed on one particular non-blindingly-obvious aspect of the thing mentioned. Yes, the existing definition does also say that a Pikmin player "controls a large group of entities in real time", but as far as I can tell this is just one potential way in which something "Pikmin-like" can be "like Pikmin", not a meaning that has become specialised to the point of justifying a dictionary entry. Mihia (talk) 11:50, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Move to RFV. I strongly disagree with the above rationale. All the cites on the citation page seem like undurable rubbish, however. The definition does surprise me somewhat, I'd sooner expect a meaning akin to "resembling a carrot critter". ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  13:50, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * RFV of what? That the term "Pikmin-like" exists? I don't think that is in doubt. Or RFV that it means something other than "Pikmin" + "-like", and if so what? Even if we could find an instance where "Pikmin-like" referred to "controlling a large group of entities in real time", that still would not in itself save this entry, IMO. Going down that road would lead to potential entries of "X-like" for every possible attribute and property of every possible noun or proper noun X. I guess RFV of a conventional special sense would work if we think one exists, but do we even know what that might be? Is it "controlling a large group of entities in real time"? "resembling a carrot critter"? Something else? (talk) 14:35, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * RFV to determine whether it is actually attested in durable media. Having "entries of "X-like" for every possible attribute and property of every possible noun or proper noun X" is not a nightmare scenario for me, iff the definitions in those entries are attested in accordance with CFI. ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  18:45, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
 * From the point of view of existence, it is in my view irrelevant whether "Pikmin-like" is attested in durable media, since, as long as -like exists, quite clearly this term exists, just like countless other "X-like" combinations that anyone can use if they wish. From the other point of view, that of recording actual usage, yes, durable attestations of course durably prove this, but once we accept "Pikmin-like" as SoP, logically I see no more reason for us to record usage of "Pikmin-like" than usage of any other SoP combination. Mihia (talk) 21:34, 4 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete. Hyphenated compounds are subject to the same sum of parts rule as spaced compounds.  Vox Sciurorum (talk) 20:25, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * They shouldn't be. DonnanZ (talk) 23:51, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * They actually aren't. WT:SOP: "Idiomaticity rules apply to hyphenated compounds in the same way as to spaced phrases." You are extrapolating from hyphenated compounds to hyphenated affixed derivations, but that is not policy. ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  18:45, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
 * It needs to be established whether the view that "Pikmin-like" (used merely in the sense of "like Pikmin") is not excluded by the CFI wording is widely held. Mihia (talk) 21:35, 4 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete. Roguelike, for example, has become enough of a set-phrase-like term that it's lost its dash-like hyphen (as well—I've seen gaming enthusiasts remark—as consistent meaning, since the quality of Rogue which a roguelike is like varies widely and may not even be a quality of Rogue itself: something called a roguelike in modern marketing is sometimes more unlike Rogue than like it). Pikmin-like does not approach this level of idiomaticity, and I agree it's SOP, and should be deleted in the absence of Pikminlike to save it. - -sche (discuss) 17:58, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per Vox and sche. Imetsia (talk) 17:28, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * RDF-deleted. Imetsia (talk) 17:28, 8 August 2021 (UTC)