Talk:Sünde der Affen

Sünde der Affen
German for "masturbation". There are three "cites" on the page, but at most one of them seems to be an actual cite rather than merely a mention. The term seems to have been coined by some author but then not really used by others... Longtrend (talk) 19:24, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I found a 4th citation and added it today.
 * The WT:CFI only require 3 citations spanning at least one year. But now we have a total of 4 citations for the term "Sünde der Affen" and they span three centuries.
 * So I think there is clearly enough evidence for the historic use of the term "Sünde der Affen" and therefore we should keep the page.--Tissot2013 (talk) 05:15, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * The last "citation" is definitely only a mention: Also Michaelis kennt verschiedene Modi von Masturbation, die er "die Sünde der Affen" nennt. In the third citation, Google Books doesn't show me the context that the phrase is used in. The second citation raises the suspicion that "Sünde der Affen" is not an idiomatic unit but simply SOP, otherwise it shouldn't be possible to add a second possessor: Die Selbstbefleckung ist die Sünde der Affen und Meerkatzen... Only the first citation that you added recently seems to be ok, but it's still consistent with my theory that it's just SOP. Longtrend (talk) 14:37, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Can someone provide translations for the links given? — Ungoliant (Falai) 12:46, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll try:
 * Link 1: Wenn ich das Wort, Sünde, so missbrauchen darf, so wäre, wie es scheint, Manustupration eigentlich die Sünde der Affen.
 * "If I may abuse the word "sin", it seems that manustupration would be the sin of the apes." [The text deals with the author's experience of having seen an ape masturbate. What is meant by "sin of the apes" is that those animals are allegedly especially addicted to this "sin".]
 * Link 2: Die Selbstbefleckung ist die Sünde der Affen und Meerkatzen...
 * "Self-abuse is the sin of the apes and guenons..."
 * Link 3: As I said above, I can't see the relevant part of the text in the Google Books preview.
 * Link 4: Also Michaelis kennt verschiedene Modi von Masturbation, die er "die Sünde der Affen" nennt. Warum nicht der Menschen? Das Mannstuprieren der Affen wurde ja im Freien nicht beobachtet und hängt, wohl mit ihrer Gefangenschaft zusammen.
 * "So Michaelis knows about different kinds of masturbation which he calls "the sin of the apes". Why not of the humans? After all, the manustupration of the apes was not observed in the wild and probably is related to their captivity."
 * - Longtrend (talk) 13:57, 14 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Failed, as only the first citation given is arguably acceptable. Thanks for the help, Longtrend. — Ungoliant (Falai) 13:34, 17 September 2013 (UTC)